whatever im not getting into this. Bull is a technical name for a cow that is male. Just like a hen is for a female chicken, is that *hen* not a chicken because its female and has another name? By the way, Drumminmama was right when she stated "from cattle" would be the best term.
and jim_w i wasnt trying to imply that you were *stupid* or that i was *smarter* I simply meant if you don't understand how a veggie/vegan thinks, it's not something you can really grasp unless you feel the same way... If your comment was a joke, sorry for the overreaction, it's just sometimes I dont know whether or not people are joking with that kind of stuff. And if not, that's what I mean, what you said makes sense to you, but it doesn't make sense to me because we share different opinions and beliefs. It doesnt imply that I think I'm *smarter*
Oh, and to anyone who took offense to anything I said, don't. Nothing I say is meant to be so, I'm simply stating what I feel and my opinion. You can take it or leave it, but by no means should anyone feel the need to *analyze* what i've said or take it offensively... I don't beat around the bush, I say exactly what I mean. Nothing I say *implies* anything or has a deeper meaning just for the record.
Bull is not the technical name for a male cow. Cows cannot be male. Cows are never male. Women are not male. Hens are not male. Bulls are not female. Men are not female. Roosters are not female. Cattle is the term for domesticated bovine that is either male or female. The same way "human" is the term for a person that is either male or female, fowl (sometimes chicken) for rooster or hen.
haha... that is very true. hence we have cow elephants, cow whales, and cow mooses. dude, chill the everloving fizuck out.... lol what i was saying was: your comment "don't try to understand if you don't" makes no kind of sense. if no one tried to understand things on the basis that they already didn't understand, what would be understood? whoa! i don't even understand how that one loops around.... you're ranting about people who don't understand but TRY to understand? ha! what in the world.. dude, for the record, i have no problem with veggies, but your ostentation is annoying; i wonder if maybe you simply haven't gone back to re-read what you wrote. i could understand giving up on someone who continually misunderstands your lifestyle, but i disagree with your apparent conclusion that no questions need replying if coming from someone of another mindset. all you had to do is respond with your opinion, not tell him to fuck off: no need to be irritated or offended by questioners. peace......................
since everyone has the semantic knickers in a knot here: I think some people took the "understand" comment the wrong way. I thought, "but I want people to try to understand." on the other hand, I know the mental exhaustion of explaning to those who won't grasp the concept, even in theory.
Okay, Im going to sort of compromise and just clear it up. I said cows to begin with, because I knew that they pulled taurine from bulls but I wasnt SURE if they could pull it from female cows so I wanted to say "cows" to generalize. You're referring to a bull as if it is its own species, when a species isnt going to be just one sex. Bulls are ONLY males, they can never be female... So the general group they fit into would be cattle or commonly COWS. But, I WILL agree with you that no one is going to go around saying a bull is a male cow. Technically it fits in the species of a cow, and is male, but no one ever calls it that, even I don't. I was trying to generalize because I wasnt straight with whether taurine JUST came from bulls or other cows as well. To back up this, here is the definition i pulled from Dicitonary.com so its not just a *i say* *you say* argument anymore. bull[size=-1]1[/size] ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bl) n. <LI type=a>An adult male bovine mammal. <LI type=a>The uncastrated adult male of domestic cattle. The male of certain other large animals, such as the alligator, elephant, or moose. An exceptionally large, strong, and aggressive person. <LI type=a>An optimist, especially regarding business conditions. A person who buys commodities or securities in anticipation of a rise in prices or who tries by speculative purchases to effect such a rise. Slang. A police officer or detective. Slang. Foolish, deceitful, or boastful language. Insolent talk or behavior. I'd also like to add that maybe Ive been vague, or maybe incorrect by referring to it as a *cow* but I simply meant *cattle* Which, a bull is part of the cattle species. Here in Wisconsin, we don't exactly *name* things the way others do. Here, a COW means CATTLE, so maybe I should have stated that earlier. Just like we call *pop* here "soda", or a drinking fountain a *bubbler*....we're weird like that. So, I'm sorry for all the *debate* and confusion, I just realized that we Wisconsinites seem to title things differently...to us, cattle means cows.
i was trying to be simple about it. If it seemed like a *bitch* remark, well Im sorry that some of you took it that way. Just as drumminmama said, it just gets a bit sickening to keep explaining myself, thats all. yes I want people to understand, but if they simply can't see my point of view, I dont want to argue about it...that was MY point. im not trying to be a bitch about it. chill out.
i tried to give you a reputation point for this, but apparently I already have given you one before so I cant... I wanted to say, that I admire your ability to always stay neutral and calm. Obviously, me along with many others should follow in your footsteps regarding that nature
I never said bull was a seperate species. The dictionary quote you give merely backs up what I keep saying, a bull is a male bovine, not a male cow. Cows are cattle, yes, but not all cattle are cows, the same way all men are human, but not all humans are men. Do you understand? Most people in Wisconcin may call all cattle cows, but I doubt someone who breeds these animals as a living does. I also "get" that when most people say "cows" they mean cattle. But after the "duh" post in which you set yourself up as an expert, I do expect you to use the language of an expert.
qeesh I think the thread turned in the wrong direction...... anyways I applaud you for being so passionate about your beliefs. much love always, Hollie*
a+o: I used to be a veggie (for five years) so I can fully understand the issues. I just don't understand veggies who act as if they're somehow unclean if the slightest bit of animal product crosses their lips. You drank the drink, then found out it had animal in it (although we now know it doesn't ) and stopped. What's the problem? I don't get it.
I can fully understand feeling that way if you are vegetarian for religious reasons. While I do not fell "unclean" if I accidently ingest some animal product (and I am veg*n for spiritual reasons) I do feel disgusted. Like finding shit in your food or something. Or the other day when I was drinking a scotch and cola and found a fingernail in the bottom of the glass!! Now, the fingernail did not harm me, hell, I could even have picked it out and kept of drinking, but no.. I tipped the glass out feeling totally grossed out. Feelings of disgust and the like are usually not logical in origin.
when i go camping my roast taters are always full of dirt and, i'm sure, the odd ant/beetle/miniature creeping thing that flew into the pot. it makes them crunchy. ah well, but it's all life and earth and i'm as much of it as it is me, so... yeah. hard on the teeth sometimes though. i should stop dropping my spoons in the dirt.
Maybe this is more appropriate for the True Confessions board, but I have slipped a few times myself. I've found that stressing out about it doesn't do much good.
I suppose stressing about it doesn't do any good, but honestly, it's all part of my personality. When it comes to things I strive at, I'm a total perfectionist. I beat myself up over things that seem trivial. I try to let go, but I yet haven't figured out how to stop myself from the whole self-criticizing idea. I do it without even realizing... When I slip up like that, yes I feel disgusted, but more over anything I feel disgusted with myself. I feel like somehow I've been an idiot to have slipped up... if that makes any sense. Like, with the Red Bull thing I was explaining [before someone had corrected me, and informed me it is synthetic] I felt like, "Damn, I was a retard to not research it before consuming it, I'm an idiot" more over a feeling of disgust. Does anyone get that, or am I just too strict on myself?
Strict shouldn't even enter into it... Why beat yourself up? There are much more important things you could be looking at in your life, I'm sure. Do you wear make-up? Take drugs? Drink? Buy lots of crappy baubles? Having a laser-focus on one aspect of your life makes it very easy to let other (probably worse) things slip by.
