Livng Labels

Discussion in 'The Whiners' started by DarkLunacy, Jun 27, 2004.

  1. DarkLunacy

    DarkLunacy Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,111
    Likes Received:
    4
    I find it a tad bit alarming how many want to relive the 60's... The analogies that are made... the refrences, the fake nostalgia.... It just bugs me how much people want to live someone elses battle but are opposed to the war in Iraq lol. Doesn't it make sence to leave the 60's in... I dunno... the 1960's? They weren't setting up a structure for future generations to live by, the were living! They didn't have an intricate plan and blueprint on this stuff. They just were! There was no photo album or textbook or even "old timer" to refrence on how to act. They were liberated, and they were free because they lived THEIR lives. Not the ones that society layed down for them. By trying to live the new 60's your automaticlly tripping yourself up and making your goal impossible. The idea was for change. To go outside of the boders that had been set and to rocket into uncharted territory and live the way THEY saw fit, not how their authority did. You can't use the 60's as a modle on how to start a revolution or how to live your life, how to act, how to think, or how to behave, because if you do then your only sticking yourself into a know boundry and zone. Your not doing anything. Your just someone trying to hold onto something that happened a long time ago and is almost all forgoten. 60's. What does everyone think of. Beatles, Drugs, Woodstock, Vietnam. And thats a nice little package isnt it? One big bad thing and several other good ones? But it was more. It wasn't all about peace. Anyone ever hear of the Weatherman? How about the Black Panthers? Look within yourselves on how to act, not to the past. Dont follow a model, follow your soul! If any Oldies think I'm outta line here please step up and say so as a perspective on reliving the 60's from someone who was actually there could be helpful... So far from what I've heard a lot of them are against the idea.... Speak up from your soul, not the counter-culture lable/style
     
  2. VanAstral

    VanAstral Member

    Messages:
    921
    Likes Received:
    1
    I find it a tad bit alarming that there are people who are alarmed that people want to relive the 60's. The analogies that are made... the references, the fake nostalgia, it doesn't bother me at all. People then didn't want war and they don't now: their battle our battle everybody's battle battle, old mcdonald treats cows inhumanely eieio.
    Doesn't it make sense to leave the 60's in... I dunno... where ever you left them.
    They set up a structure for future generations to live by: the were living! They didn't have an intricate plan, a blueprint... they just were! Check out the photos, psychedelic photos, and read about it. They were liberated, and they were free because they lived THEIR lives.
    Society has afforded us a freedom by which one can achieve happiness. By living in the new 60's you're reflecting the previous generation in which many lived and many died and many became revolutionaries; all of which will happen today, take a look at Michael Moore. The idea was change: to go outside of the borders, to learn from the previous generation, and create original methods with which to secure peace and harmony. We have authority, and we have freedom, even if you have to look for it, it's there. The original thinkers will use this freedom... and who knows what they'll achieve... something our kids will emulate I'm sure.
    So crank the Beatles, suck on the drugs, watch the Woodstock DVD, and learn about Vietnam. Whatever floats yer boat. The Weatherman, the Black Panthers, gang wars, Elfs, teenage depression, every generation has its problems. Learn from them too. But look within yourselves, learn from the past, follow your soul.
     
  3. DarkLunacy

    DarkLunacy Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,111
    Likes Received:
    4
    Damnit... the computer locked when I tried to post. Ok quick wrapped up version, reflecting on the past is inefective, wishing you were in the past is pointless, trying to recreate it acheives nothing. Take your ideas from the era such as individuallity, freedom, peace, tolerance ect ect and try and apply them into the now, not as a tribute to the past. The era will be forgotten over time and with it the ideals it had unless you fight to keep them alive instead of preserved. To achieve this we can not simply hoot and hollar about how rockin the 60s were and how bithcing it would have been to be there for it. Iraq is not Vietnam 2 but rather Desert Storm 2 and we need to recognize this. There are a couple similarities ok but they are not the same. Bush is not another Nixon, and to say such is an insult to Nixon. Its very easy to make those analogies when you want them to exist. The era is over and gone, let it die, but learn from it, preserve its ideals and start your own era of the new millenium and not the 60s part 2.
     
  4. Ocean Byrd

    Ocean Byrd Artificial Energy

    Messages:
    2,104
    Likes Received:
    7
    I find your post, DarkLunacy, to be the statement of a conformist. People will live how they want, when they want, and where they want; even if it's back 4 decades. Let it go, people can live in the past if they want; sometimes the future is the reason why some people like the past more.
     
  5. marymicrogram

    marymicrogram Member

    Messages:
    351
    Likes Received:
    0
    Even though I'm absolutely disgusted with people who say that they would have liked to live at the time of the Vietnam War just so that they could have protested against it, I have to agree with Ocean Byrd, it really doesn't matter. Let them reminisce, what's the harm in it?
     
  6. alice_d_millionaire

    alice_d_millionaire Just Do It©

    Messages:
    3,927
    Likes Received:
    5
    why would anyone wanna go back in time to protest a war? that seem a little assinine. i wouldnt mind meeting a few people though. people go forward by looking backwards at how their predecessors screwed up. why do people study history? the people in spain during the inquisition were just doing their thing... its never gonna happen again... right?
     
  7. Purple_Burnt_Squirre

    Purple_Burnt_Squirre Member

    Messages:
    221
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think its cool you put that up here its great to hear someone say I love being here posting here doesn't mean I want to live in the 60s is how I took it. I love a lot of elements from the 60s, going to protest the war isn't one of them ideally I'd prefer no war to protest. I just love the spirit of peace and love, the new idea, ideals, expressions that came out is what inspires me in the same way as those whose passion is the 50s, 80s, the queenstown goldrush {to use a New Zealand example} etc. Its the things that I find great about that period as I know that for every time and place etc there is the highs and lows. To be in the 60s would just be like now doesn't last forever except in the rose coloured eyes, hearts and minds of future generations, I think thats what its about :D
     
  8. soulrebel51

    soulrebel51 i's a folkie.

    Messages:
    19,473
    Likes Received:
    12
    i guess I live like i am in the 60s, but I know that I am not in the 60s, nor do I want to. I like to speak out against wrong doings of bug businesses and their harming of the environment and its inhabitants, all animals and beings should have the right to live in a clean world, with no worries about pollution and the destruction of the planet. I am against most of what the american government does(how can a country built on freedom of speech be so negative who express what they think and feel?),and I am very against the war for oil and the inhumane actions that Bush has done. I plant most my food and eat mostly fruits and vegetables because I want to be healthy and not have obesity problems like the majority of this country has, not because it is "hippieish" to be a vegan. i love peace and i love loving all people, even if they dont like me. i love to wear tiedye becuz tiedye is the coolest color on the planet IMO, and most of the shirts that I have dyed look like hallucinations I have had while on acid and shroomies, i had a plan for dying them, not just doing it because it is a hip thing to do. I did not look into the 60s and start living like this becuz i thought it was a cool way to live, I have been pretty much the same since as far back as I can remember. and I live this way because this is how I want to live and I've always lived. and I plan on living like this for the rest of my life. It would be cool to be in the 60s, but where would the fun in that be you would know everything thats gonna happen anyway, so Id like to stay in the present day and see what surprises come our way.
     
  9. TheLittleOne

    TheLittleOne Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,178
    Likes Received:
    4
    all this peace and bullshit talk makes me want to yak
    IT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN
    and if you think it is, you're living in a dreamland
    us earth people, we're HUMANS
    we're ignorant, selfish, selfcentered, greedy, pessimistic, paranoid assholes. all of us. no matter how much you deny it and claim that you are a "peace loving pot smoking hippy", when someone takes a dollar bill out of your back pocket, you're gonna be pissed.
     
  10. soulrebel51

    soulrebel51 i's a folkie.

    Messages:
    19,473
    Likes Received:
    12
    well i dont think that there will ever truly be a time of peace for all earth, there is always gonna be one country fighting another, and there is always gonna be radical fuckers who wanna fight for certain things they want done using violence. your adectives for humans as a whole LittleOne is pretty accurate, but there is always gonna be some peaceful, understanding, unselfish, etc people on this planet. i believe theres a chance that true peace may happen, but its that hope that keeps the peace loving people trying to change the ways of the violent, greedy, etc type of people.

    byt the way, I never keep anything in my back pockets, im too paranoid that someone would get my wallet and I wouldnt even notice. So I just keep things in my front pockets
     
  11. TheLittleOne

    TheLittleOne Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,178
    Likes Received:
    4
    :) yea i dont think all people are bad...just most
     
  12. Ocean Byrd

    Ocean Byrd Artificial Energy

    Messages:
    2,104
    Likes Received:
    7
    Peace will never exist as long as conformism roams our society; if someone is different, they are mocked. And with mockery, comes dislike for a stereotype, and from that comes misunderstandings and possibly even war. I guess what I'm saying is, the world can't be completely individualistic, nor can it be a whole; it's impossible.
     
  13. DarkLunacy

    DarkLunacy Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,111
    Likes Received:
    4
    Yes! Because speaking out against "hippies" is conforming, unlike tailoring yourself to a cookie cutter image :rolleyes:

    Squirlley: Wasn't talking about you... Havent even read your post. There HAVE been numerous posts of people age 14-17 who say they wish they were in the 60s...

    SoulRebel: I think you've hit it closest to what I was talking about. Living the idea instead of the era.... Am I making any sense at all?

    I'm just saying its a bit redundent and counter productive to sit there and go "I'm a hippie" when your ideas end at the stretch of your vocal cords
     
  14. soulrebel51

    soulrebel51 i's a folkie.

    Messages:
    19,473
    Likes Received:
    12
    yes someone else that gets it! live the idea not the era. Talking and dreaming about the 60s isnt gonna get you anywhere. but if you just live and not daydream about the past then who knows where you might end up at
     
  15. Orsino2

    Orsino2 Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

    Messages:
    41,058
    Likes Received:
    4
    Something that comes to my mind.

    The sixties are over. Unless your pathetic mind has a plan for a time machine, I don't see your LSD toting open minded drug induced ass getting to meet Jerry Garcia at woodstock anytime soon.
     
  16. soulrebel51

    soulrebel51 i's a folkie.

    Messages:
    19,473
    Likes Received:
    12
    I wouldnt wanna meet Jerry Garcia. Thatd be fuckin scary. but hey...mmmm LSD
     
  17. Ocean Byrd

    Ocean Byrd Artificial Energy

    Messages:
    2,104
    Likes Received:
    7
    Nah, I would've liked to go to a Byrds concert though.
     
  18. Orsino2

    Orsino2 Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

    Messages:
    41,058
    Likes Received:
    4
    To tell you the truth. Is it just me, or is Roger McGuinn all over the place for some reason. I mean.. yeah, David Crosby got busted for pot one time this year. Damn. I really want to see CSN at VA Beach in August. I can't believe I passed up third row tickets on ebay....
     
  19. DarkLunacy

    DarkLunacy Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,111
    Likes Received:
    4
    Whats wrong with a little open minded-ness and lots of LSD? :p Thats what I call a party
     
  20. Sage-Phoenix

    Sage-Phoenix Imagine

    Messages:
    3,585
    Likes Received:
    4
    Sounds good, but I'll past on the acid. :)

    My thoughts exactly :)

    There were of course aspects of the sixties that were pretty crap, then it went belly up.
    We have to learn from history, to build a better future. Without that it's just pointless faux nostalgia.

    TTFN
    Sage
     
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice