Straight from the Torah....

Its not about the name.... it is the detailed descriptions... there is only one man that could fit all of them.

 

ehm.. the way I see it Jesus tried to 'update' Judaism.. but the ones who believed him became his direct followers (=Christians) instead of 'changed Jews'.. and the people who didn't believe him just stayed with their old ways (=Jews). Soooo.. if you truly believe in what Jesus said and came to do, I think you should beware that Jesus himself was a Jew and as far as I know, he never intended to start a new religion based on his persona.. because that's what really did happen. Just listen to allll the praise songs.. it's all about Jesus this, Jesus that.. whatever happened to God.

I really start to believe that the nowaday Christians are so selfabsorbed and drifted so far away from what Jesus really was teaching that the Jews, who are at least true to the first half of the Christian Bible, or more authentic in their views of God.

 

UHH Jesus said he was the THE WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIFE and he claimed he was the Messiah talked about in the OT.

We sing about just Jesus because Christians belive in the Trinity. So when we sing to Jesus we sing to God as well.

I won't argue against Christians drifting away.... becuase lets face it there are a lot in this day and age that have. True Christians are hard to come by these days.

 

But he also said that he wasn't there to change Moses' laws.. merely to explain some a bit more and try making things a bit more peacefull (eye for an eye instead of the honory-wars that were common back then, so that things would be settled equal or even less instead of dragging on for generations). But still, Christians aren't exactly close to the OT anymore.. they seem to focus way more on the NT.. which always surprised me. In that way, I think even Muslims live more true to the original (abrahamistic) ways than Christians do.. if you think about it completely rational, I really don't understand why Christians gave up so much of the jewish roots.. since Jesus was only there for 'enhancement' of the laws in the OT, not for the complete substitution of Judaism with Christianity...

 

LOL

 

RE: There have been many "false messiahs". We don't care about the one you follow.

Before, JesusDied4U, you take umbrage against this please remember that a lot of OT messianic prophecies did not come true. The OT is very specific about what the Messiah was supposed to be. Jesus does not fit that mold.

He may fit the notion of Saviour and Redeemer for you, but honestly, dude. You can't go into a Jewish forum and expect anything but hostility.

 

Give me some time, and I'll refute EVERY SINGLE one of the listed scriptural references made in the first post. Umph.

 

Jesus did not say He came to explain the law a bit more, He did say He came to fulfill the law. The blood sacrifice the Jews use to do for a covering for their sins was fulfilled by Christ death on the cross. Jesus became the blood sacrifice. All those who accept Christ are covered by His blood. He was the lamb that was slain. Just as the angle of death passed over Egypt and killed the first born. All who had the lambs blood over their door way was spared Gods wrath. Christ ministery was pointing out that by the law no man could be saved. Without the sheding of blood, no flesh shall be justified.

 

RE: Jesus did not say He came to explain the law a bit more, He did say He came to fulfill the law. The blood sacrifice the Jews use to do for a covering for their sins was fulfilled by Christ death on the cross. Jesus became the blood sacrifice. All those who accept Christ are covered by His blood. He was the lamb that was slain. Just as the angle of death passed over Egypt and killed the first born. All who had the lambs blood over their door way was spared Gods wrath. Christ ministery was pointing out that by the law no man could be saved. Without the sheding of blood, no flesh shall be justified.

You missed a few things:

1) You should have begun this screed with "in my opinion"
2) You should take it outside of this forum, they've told you it isn't welcome.

Christianity is the place to discuss Christianity. This is the Judaism forum. Jews do not believe Jesus was the Messiah.

Can you not read?

 

The day is coming when Jesus Christ will save Israel from the invadeing Russian army. In Zec.12 it states, that they shall look upon me whom they piereced, and they will morn for me as one morns for His only son, and they shall be in bitterness for me. The Bible states that the Messiah would come unto His own and His own would receive Him not. And yet it says He would be a light to the Gentiles. And yes, Jesus has been that light. I love the Jewish people, and I love Israel because you are the lost sheep. God is going to work wonders with your nation, and you don't even know Him. It is no accident that America has stood by Israel so long. It is because there are so many Christians that are standing behind your nation. The day will come when America will not be there for you, but the God you don't know will be with you to the end.

 

campbell: either there are really really old Jews out there, or Christ was WRONG when he said "there are some standing here who will see Heaven come to Earth in all its glory."

The end times that the early Christians expected to be "imminent" never happened either.

Jesus was never called Immanuel, didn't bring all Jews back to Israel, never rebuilt the temple.... shall I go on?

 

The verse you are refering to is call the Transfigeration. When Christ said that some would not see death till they see Christ return, did see Him return in a vision on the Mount of Transfiguration. If you read a verse or two down, you will see that.

What early Christians believed and what was to be were two different things. In the Book of Revelation it speaks about the armies of the East assembeling a 200 million man army. When that was penned it is doubful that you could find 200 million people on the entire earth. Yet in 1960 China was saying that if they had to the could raise up a 200 million man army alone. Also before Jesus died, he stated that the temple would be torn down.
Which it was. The end time prophecies will not be fulfilled until Israel rebuilds the third temple which they are already talking about. Also, before Israel is attacked by Russia, a short time of Peace must come to Israel, and the Bible states this will happen. And yes, please go on.

 

I'm sorry, but this is the first time I was told I was not welcome. Well feel free to dicuss your faith in the Christianity forum, we never tell people they are not welcome there. Take Care

 

Taint me but the moderator that wishes same.

 

I'll start off by saying, without debating things would never have been changed throughout history. Lets take a look at the African Americans in the last 150 years or so as an example.Without debating blacks would still have been in slavery and would still have no rights. Overall, debating allows worldviews to collide and for both sides to better understand one another's backgrounds and beliefs. Perhaps I can learn from their faith and they can learn from mine.


"Straight from the Torah" is the label of this thread, and that is considered a "bannable offense" even though what I have written is from the Jewish text. Yet if it was written by someone that was Jewish it would be alright. Furthermore, people do not have to reply to my posts if they do not want to. If there is such a fit over any post of mine people simply do not have to reply and I will not reply.

"There have been many "false messiahs". We don't care about the one you follow."

Now we know why you don't want me on here, not out of respect of Jewish faith but because you have no respect for my faith and my God. Well it is a shame that as a moderator you have such a bias.

In regards to your site, it did not work. But understand this, I am not looking for educated answers from educated people.... "for it is not the healthy that need a doctor but the sick" Even if your link did work, I probably would not go to it because there are so many new people that flock to this site that i can talk to or they talk to me.

 

LOL are you refering to Jews for Jesus? They use deceitful, cult-like tactics to lure vulnerable Jews. They specifically target young people with their hateful, untrue message. Because of this, I, along with many other Jews, consider J4J to be a hate group.

The simple fact is that once a Jew accepts Jesus as the messiah they are no longer Jewish.

Maybe you should go over to The Cat Site (www.thecatsite.com). I got banned from there because someone put up a thread about how "great" Jews for Jesus is and I pointed out what J4J really is. It is supposed to be site for cat lovers, but apparently it is a site for bigots. You would probably thorughly enjoy yourself over there.

 

Simply put, Hipforums is my home and you are against my faith and my God.

 

How exactly is she against your faith and "your" God?