Straight from the Torah....

She has repetively made negative comments towards what I believe. For example:

"There have been many "false messiahs". We don't care about the one you follow."

From this observation, I know that she is not allowing this thread merely because she is against Christianity. Again it is a shame-a moderator with such a bias.

 

That is bullshit and you know it. What she is saying is that Jesus isn't the messiah for Jews, so we would really appreciate it if you would stop posting like he is EVERYONE's messiah when he isn't. You are the one who is being biased, with all your posts trying to "save" us. We get enough of that with hate groups like Jews for Jesus and we don't need it from you.

 

I have to step in here and say that I know Drumminmama well enough to know that she is NOT "against" Christianity. I AM a Christian and she has had no problems with me or what I believe. Most of the time she has a "whatever floats your boat" attitude about people of other faiths and even goes out of her way to help those in their faiths even if they aren't what she pratices. She is just trying to keep the peace in the Jewish forum for the Jewish. Most of the people who come here want to discuss Judaism, not Christianity. While comparisions to Christianity or questions about the differences or even how Christianity does or does not relate to Judaism and whatnot are fine, but the TOPIC should remain Judaism. At least respect that. It's not like you don't have a place to make Christianity the topic!

 

Well remember, the gospels were written from each mans perspective. If these men really wanted to fabricate a story, I'm sure they could of made one that read perfect. Yet this was not their intention. Also, the Old Testament gives two pictures of a Messiah. One, as a man of sorrows with no beauty that we should desire Him, and the other, as a Victorious King. Which can only be two pictures for two different times. This person would be a light unto the Gentiles, for His own people would reject Him. And as we look back to the last 2,000 years, the only person I see being a light to the Gentiles, is Jesus Christ. The third Temple will be built, and their are those who are already talking about it. The prophecies are all fulfilled in Jesus Christ and that is why 1 Billion people call Him God. The problem is, that the Jewish people missed the time of their visitation. As a result, you have spent life times trying to ignore the obvious. And in Zec.12, It states that the time will come when the Jewish people will look upon him who they pierced, and they shall mourn for him as one would mourn for his only son, and they will be in bitterness for him. You got to ask yourself, who did they pierce, that the whole nation of Israel will be in mourning? Even to the point that the wives will be apart, and the husbands will be apart, and the children will be apart. And all the nation will be in mourning. This is a future prophecy, and why is this happening? And who did Israel pierce. They will ask this person, where did you receive the wounds in your hands, and he will respond, in the house of my friends.
I believe Jesus Christ is more than a religion, but is the only blood sacrifice this world can hold on to. Without the sheeding of blood there is no remission of sin. This is a clear teaching from the Bible. Jesus Christ is my blood sacrifice, who is yours?

 

Nice of you to offend virtually every religion with that one statement.

Once again, with clarity, JESUS IS NOT THE MESSIAH FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE.

 

RE: I believe Jesus Christ is more than a religion, but is the only blood sacrifice this world can hold on to. Without the sheeding of blood there is no remission of sin. This is a clear teaching from the Bible. Jesus Christ is my blood sacrifice, who is yours?I believe Jesus Christ is more than a religion, but is the only blood sacrifice this world can hold on to. Without the sheeding of blood there is no remission of sin. This is a clear teaching from the Bible. Jesus Christ is my blood sacrifice, who is yours?

No it isn't.

And weren't blood sacrifices supposed to be pure, without blemish, injury etc?

 

We have all these hundreds of shaky prophecies yet the man from Nazareth didn't complete the most basic of prophecies such as ingathering all the Jews to a unified Israel, being born of the seed of David through Solomon, bringing about world peace, bring about the universal knowledge of G-d, rebuild the temple, ect.

No complete fulfillment, no Moshiach.

 

Well if you believe that there are all kinds of Gods running around, and each one of them are counterdicting the other, then truth is most likely not a big thing with you anyway.

 

The mistake is that these prophecies would be fulfilled as soon as seed of David showed up. Yet even in the new Testament a careful study of the prophecies indicates that it would be a long time before these prophecies would be fulfilled. According to Revelation, none of these prophecies would come to pass until the Kings of the East would be able to raise up a 200 million man army. China stated in 1960 that they could raise such an army. Its interesting that they used the exact number stated in the New Testament. And you can say the prophecies are shaky, all 300 of them. Yet, Jesus Christ fulfilled every one of them.

 

Without taking sides, I have to say you really reached on this one;

Gen. 3:15.....Seed of a woman --
Boy, that narrows it down.

Gen. 3:15.....He will bruise Satan's head
Opinion

Gen. 5:24....The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated
Or copied?

Gen. 12:3...As Abraham's seed, will bless all nations
Opinion

Gen. 14:18...A priest after Melchizedek
All the priests were of the tribe of Levi. If Christ was a priest, he couldn't of been a decendant of David.

Gen. 14:18........A King also
Only called so by you and yours.

Gen. 17:19.......The Seed of Isaac
As is every other Jew who ever lived.

Gen. 49:10...The time of His coming
The only prophesy I know of that specified a time for the coming of the messiah was in Daniel, and jesus missed that one by a cpl centurys

Gen. 49:10...To Him shall the obedience of the people be
What? most christians don't even obey him.

 

The prophecies (Daniel9: 24-27) state the following about the Messiah:

1. He would be anointed. Jesus was baptized in 27 A.D., starting the final week (7years) granted to the Jews. The 15th year of Tiberius Caesar
2. He would be killed in the middle of the week. Jesus was crucified in 31 A.D., three and a half years after his baptism. (Daniel 9: 24-27
3. He would arrive under the rule of the forth kingdom-Rome was in power during his life. It was the fourth kingdom following Babylon, Medo-Persia and then Greece.
4. He would come when there was a 'raiser of taxes'-Augustus Caesar issued taxes and caused Mary to go to Bethlehem where Jesus was born
5. He would live when there was a vile person-Tiberius Caesar was hated because he was a paedophile
6. He would die under the fourth kingdom under the reign of Tiberious Caesar (the vile person)-(Daniel 11:22)
7. He would die before the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. This happened in 70 A.D.

Jesus came and left right on time, because like Daniel has stated. He would be gone before the destruction of Jerusalem, and the Temple.

Jesus is the only one I know that was betrayed for 30 pecies of silver and would be the light of the Gentiles, after Israel rejected Him. As the prophecies stated they would. After 2,000 years, I do not see any other Jewish person, that the western world is bowing down to other than Jesus Christ.

 

“Yet even in the new Testament a careful study of the prophecies indicates that it would be a long time before these prophecies would be fulfilled.”

Prophecies from the Greek testament being the key term here. There is no prophecy found in the Torah or Tanach that says the Moshiach will A) die and come back, or B) go on a 2,000+ year coffee break.

Now, if you would like to start a thread about Jesus and have a complete discussion go to the Christian section and start one. We don’ come to your forum and start threads about Buddha and Allah. Don’t come to our forum and start threads about Jesus.

 

Dude, please learn to read and get this through your thick, brainwashed skull...JESUS IS NOT GOD! GOD IS GOD! JESUS IS NOT THE MESSIAH FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE!

And as for your "truth", I am again fascinated by how you can offend so many religions simply by typing.

 

It is quite sad to see so many spiritually blinded individuals who do not know that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh...


"Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory." - 1 Timothy 3:16

There are MANY other scriptures stating that Jesus Christ and God are one.

The word of the Lord states that upon his return, all of Israel shall see the wounds in his hands and fall to their knees in severe repentance.

 

sometimes I really regret having posted in threads like these, because it's always very easy to predict where the whole discussion is going plus it keeps popping up in my 'your posts' list..

 

Wait, I though Moses was God or something? Wasn't he? He gave out the commandments and all that to the Israelites ehh?

Actually, he was, all of the true jews followed Jesus. All the rest of them are rebelling against Moses.

What about me? God has never offended you? Come on now. God harasses everybody...

 

They probably don't even know they are God in the flesh as well.