WTC Janitor Claims Bombs Went Off In Basement Before Jetliner Hit

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  1. Angel_Headed_Hipster

    Angel_Headed_Hipster Senior Member

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    I would like to see someone debunk this...this is a man with a lot of credibility and he is a hero, he went in the building AFTER he had already been evacuated to save 15 people, and as he was doing this the building collapsed on him, and was one of the last people to get dug up from the rubble...he claims that he was in the 1st story basement that morning and BEFORE the jetliner even hit the north tower, he claims he already heard explosions and a man get burned...read the rest of the article for more information...it's VERY interesting, if anyone reads this immediately after I post it, you can hear an interview with him on Alex Jones's Radio show by clicking this link: http://66.160.133.226:8020/listen.pls.

    WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High; Eye Witness Testimony Is Conclusive That North Tower Collapsed From Controlled Demolition
    WTC janitor pulls burn victim to safety after basement explosion rocks north tower seconds before jetliner hit top floors. Also, two other men trapped and drowning in a basement elevator shaft, were also pulled to safety from underground explosion..
    June 24, 2005



    By Greg Szymanski

    What happened to William Rodriguez the morning of 9/11 is a miracle. What happened to his story after-the-fact is a tragedy.

    But with miracles and tragedies comes truth. And truth is exactly what Rodriguez brings to the whole mystery surrounding 9/11.

    Declared a hero for saving numerous lives at Ground Zero, he was the janitor on duty the morning of 9/11 who heard and felt explosions rock the basement sub-levels of the north tower just seconds before the jetliner struck the top floors.

    He not only claims he felt explosions coming from below the first sub-level while working in the basement, he says the walls were cracking around him and he pulled a man to safety by the name of Felipe David, who was severely burned from the basement explosions.

    All these events occurred only seconds before and during the jetliner strike above. And through it all, he now asks a simple question everybody should be asking? How could a jetliner hit 90 floors above and burn a man’s arms and face to a crisp in the basement below within seconds of impact?

    Rodriguez claims this was impossible and clearly demonstrates a controlled demolition brought down the WTC, saying "Let’s see them (the government) try to wiggle out of this one."

    Well, they haven’t wiggled out of it because the government continues to act like Rodriguez doesn’t exist, basically ignoring his statements and the fact he rescued a man burnt and bleeding from the basement explosions.

    His eye witness account, ignored by the media and the government, points the finger squarely on an official cover-up at the highest levels since the government contends the WTC fell only from burning jet fuel. And after listening to Rodriguez, it’s easy to see why the Bush administration wants him kept quiet.

    Bush wants him quiet because Rodriguez’s account is ‘proof positive’ the WTC was brought down by a controlled demolition, not burning jet fuel. And Bush knows if he’s caught lying about this or caught in a cover-up, it’s just a matter of time before the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.

    In fact, Rodriguez’s story is so damaging – so damning – it literally blows the lid off the government story, literally exposing the whole 9/11 investigation as a sham and a cover-up of the worst kind.

    And it appears the cover-up also extends to the media.

    NBC news knew about his story several years ago, even spending a full day at his house taping his comments. But when push came to shove, his story was never aired. Why?

    His eyewitness account, backed up by at least 14 people at the scene with him, isn’t speculation or conjecture. It isn’t a story that takes a network out on a journalistic limb. It’s a story that can be backed up, a story that can be verified with hospital records and testimony from many others.

    It’s a story about 14 people who felt and heard the same explosion and even saw Rodriguez, moments after the airplane hit, take David to safety, after he was burnt so bad from the basement explosion flesh was hanging from his face and both arms

    So why didn’t NBC or any other major news outlets cover the story? They didn’t run it because it shot the government story to hell and back. They didn’t run it because "the powers that be" wouldn’t allow it.

    Since 9/11, Rodriguez has stuck to his guns, never wavering from what he said from day one. Left homeless at times, warned to keep quiet and subtly harassed, he nevertheless has continued trying to tell get his message out in the face of a country not willing to listen.

    Here is his story:

    The Miracle

    It’s a miracle Rodriguez, 44, who worked at the WTC for 20 years, is even alive. Usually arriving to work at 8:00am, the morning of 9/11 he reported 30 minutes late. If he’d arrived on time, it would have put him at the top floors just about the same time the jetliner hit the north tower.

    "It was a miracle. If I arrived on time, like always, I’d probably be dead. I would have been up at the top floors like every morning," said Rodriguez about the quirk of fate that saved his life.

    But since he was late, Rodriguez found himself checking into work in an office on sub-level 1 when the north tower was hit, seemingly out of harms way. However, the sound and concussion of a massive explosion in the sub-levels right below his feet changed that.

    "When I heard the sound of the explosion, the floor beneath my feet vibrated, the walls started cracking and it everything started shaking," said Rodriguez, who was huddled together with at least 14 other people in the office.

    Rodriguez said Anthony Saltamachia, supervisor for the American Maintenance Co., was one of the people in the room who stands ready to verify his story.

    "Seconds after the first massive explosion below in the basement still rattled the floor, I hear another explosion from way above," said Rodriguez. "Although I was unaware at the time, this was the airplane hitting the tower, it occurred moments after the first explosion."

    But before Rodriguez had time to think, co-worker Felipe David stormed into the basement office with severe burns on his face and arms, screaming for help and yelling "explosion! explosion! explosion!"

    David had been in front of a nearby freight elevator on sub-level 1 about 400 feet from the office when fire burst out of the elevator shaft, causing his injuries.

    "He was burned terribly," said Rodriguez. "The skin was hanging off his hands and arms. His injuries couldn’t have come from the airplane above, but only from a massive explosion below. I don’t care what the government says, what scientists say. I saw a man burned terribly from a fire that was caused from an explosion below.

    "I know there were explosives placed below the trade center. I helped a man to safety who is living proof, living proof the government story is a lie and a cover-up.

    "I have tried to tell my story to everybody, but nobody wants to listen. It is very strange what is going on here in supposedly the most democratic country in the world. In my home country of Puerto Rico and all the other Latin American countries, I have been allowed to tell my story uncensored. But here, I can’t even say a word."

    After Rodriguez escorted David to safety outside the WTC, he returned to lead the others in the basement to safety as well. While there, he also helped two other men trapped and drowning in the basement elevator shaft, another result he says of the explosives placed below the tower.

    In fact, after leading these men to safety, he even made another trip back into the north tower, against police orders, in order to rescue people from the top floors.

    "I never could make it to the top, but I got up to the 33rd floor after getting some of my equipment and a face mask out of the janitor’s closet," said Rodriguez, adding he heard a series of small explosions going off between the 20th and 30th floors, unrelated to the airplane strike, while making his way through the stairwell to the top floors.

    "Also, when I was on the 33rd floor, I heard strange sounds coming form the 34th floor, loud noises like someone moving and thumping heavy equipment and furniture. I knew this floor was empty and stripped due to construction work so I avoided it and continued to make my way up the stairs."

    Rodriguez said he finally reached the 39th floor before being turned back by fire fighters and then, reluctantly, started his descent back down and his own flight to safety while, at the same time, hearing explosions coming from the South Tower.

    The Tragedy

    The concerted effort by the media and the government to silence Rodriguez is the tragedy behind this American hero’s story. And there is no question, Rodriguez is a "silent hero" for saving so many lives and for having the courage to continue telling his story against tremendous odds.

    In an effort to open a fair and honest investigation as to why the WTC collapsed, Rodriguez has been ignored by government officials, the 9/11 Commission and the National Institute of Safety and Technology (NIST).

    NIST, an independent investigative group funded by the government, put the finishing touches this week on its 2 year $35 million 9/11 investigation. This week Rodriguez made his final plea to have his story heard while testifying at the final public hearing held in New York.

    " I disagree 100%with the government story," said Rodriguez. "I met with the 9/11 Commission behind closed doors and they essentially discounted everything I said regarding the use of explosives to bring down the north tower.

    "And I contacted NIST previously four times without a response. Finally, this week I asked them before they came up with their conclusion that jet fuel brought down the towers, if they ever considered my statements or the statements of any of the other survivors who heard the explosions. They just stared at me with blank faces and didn’t have any answers.

    "Also, The FBI never followed up on my claims or on the other part of my story when I told them before 9/11, I encountered one of the hijackers casing the north tower."

    Besides the explosions, Rodriguez also has provided testimony to the 9/11 Commission that he stumbled across one of the supposed 19 Arab hijackers inside the WTC several months before 9/11

    "I had just finished cleaning the bathroom and this guy asks me, 'Excuse me, how many public bathrooms are in this area?'" Rodriguez told the 9/11 Commission. "Coming from the school of the 1993 [Trade Center] bombing, I found it very strange. I didn't forget about it"

    Rodriguez, claims he saw United Airlines Flight 175 hijacker Mohand Alshehri in June 2001, telling an FBI agent about the incident a month after the attacks. Never hearing back from the bureau, he later learned agents never followed up on the story.

    "I'm very certain, I'll give it 90%" that Alshehri was casing the towers before the attacks," said Rodriguez.

    Regarding the media’s apathetic approach to his story, Rodriguez said immediately after 9/11 some newspapers picked it up but his words were never taken seriously and quickly forgotten.

    "During the 9/11 hearings, NBC brought a crew out to my house and spent a day taping my story but they never did air a word of it," said Rodriguez. "Since then, some reporters and commentators have subtly warned me to keep quiet, told me my life could be in jeopardy and warned me that I really didn’t understand who I was dealing with.

    "I have been receiving this type of subtle harassment for years, but I keep telling everybody I can’t be intimidated because I am on a mission. Whenever someone asks why I keep talking or warns me that I could be killed, I just tell them I have nothing to lose.

    "I tell them I lost 200 friends and I am their voice now. I tell them I will do everything in my power to find out the truth since I am living on borrowed time since I probably should be dead anyway."

    Besides trying to tell his explosive story, Rodriguez has been active raising money for 9/11victims, being involved with charity groups that have raised more than $122 million. He says he has used over $60,000 of his own money, originally earmarked to buy a new house, in order to get at the truth behind 9/11.

    Also seeking justice at the highest level, Rodriguez is the lead plaintiff in a federal RICO lawsuit filed against President Bush and others, alleging conspiracy to commit murder and other crimes in the deaths of more than 3,000 at the WTC.

    The case, filed last November in a Philadelphia federal district court, recently was moved to New York in a change of venue after a government’s motion to dismiss was overruled, allowing legal discovery to continue.

    "Even if the case goes no farther, I feel we have scored a victory by winning this first battle," said Rodriguez. "At least the judge seems willing to listen which is a victory of sorts. However, I sincerely hope we can eventually take the case all the way to trial and reveal the truth to the American people about 9/11."

     
  2. matthew

    matthew Almost sexy

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    So this person has the ability to know when a plane has hit dozens of floors up from himself 'seconds before the plane hit'

    Is he trying to say Mohand Alshehri was a 'patsy' for the goverment ? along with the others in the plane ?. A co-ordinated 'hit' and 'explosion' .. Or that he was working solely with the hijackers and the goverment was not involved ?.

    He says he felt the floor shake:

    When I heard the sound of the explosion, the floor beneath my feet vibrated, the walls started cracking and it everything started shaking," said Rodriguez, who was huddled together with at least 14 other people in the office.

    He 'heard' the explosion ? mmm i don't know about that... it comes down too timing he seems to have got the chronology down.. but it is a little conveniant after the fact... If something hits a tower i would imagine the delayed effects would make his awareness of events a little skewed , if he 'felt' the explosions the only place he could do so is through his feet.. this does not mean the 'explosion' occurred underneath him.

    I think NBC and others did not pick up on his story out of respect for him and his 'job well done' .. he has raised lots of money for charity and has been homeless.. i would not put someone like that up for ridicule.
     
  3. POPthree13

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    Not that I think there was no cover-up, but I think this man's experience can be easily explained. He isn't lying, he's just not up on physics.

    The speed of sound through air is 343 m/s.
    The speed of sound (or similar vibrations) through cement is 3,200 - 3,600 m/s.
    The speed of combusting jet fuel up to 2,500 m/s in a tube.

    Based on the above, when the plane hit the tower it would make sense that you would feel the vibrations eminating from the substructure, and witness an explosion of jet fuel at the bottom of an elevator shaft a least a second before the sound from above reached you.

    Just thinkin again...
     
  4. POPthree13

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    PS: demolition explosives are rarely (never) incendiary devices. If you are close to a explosive used for demolition there wouldn't be much left but pieces. His injuries seem consistent with a gaseous flash.
     
  5. Angel_Headed_Hipster

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    The North Tower was struck at 8:46 AM...William Rodriguez Arrived at work at 8:30 (due to the fact he was 30 minutes late). That means that he had about 16 minutes of time in between the tower being struck and him arriving at work, He heard an explosion pre 8:46 (this information was obtained due to interviews Mr. Rodriguez has done) and at presicely 8:46 he heard the plane crash into the building, now I may not know so much about physics as i'm sure he doesn't have a masters in it either, but you can definitly differentiate the blast heard from BELOW you, and then a completely different Crashing sound coming from high above you. Also, Matt, how can you claim that NBC didn't take his story because they didn't want him to be ridiculed? This man isn't just claiming that there were explosives in the building before they were struck by jetliners, he actually went in AFTER he himself had been evacuated from the building and saved 15 people, the building then collapsed on him and was one of the last people to ever be dug up, taking this story is not going on a journalistic limb, and obviously nobody is going to ridicule a man who saved 15 people lives that day, he is a hero, NBC and CNN DID show clips of interviews with him, but as Rodriguez testified they carefully cut every little detail about explosives, hearing a boom before the plane struck, etc. Also, he was called to testify in front of the 9/11 commission, but unlike everyone else who testified (except Bush and Cheney of course...) he was met behind closed doors, and was even told frankly to shut up and that he "Did not know who he was messing with" by several reporters of mainstream news agencies. Mr. Rodriquez has spent thousands of dollars trying to investigate the truth of 9/11, this is not a publicity stunt and he is not spending all this time on money accidently, he stumbled upon the truth that he wants everyone to know, that there IS a coverup sorrounding 9/11.
     
  6. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    there were over 600 phone calls to the port authority from both towers, not 1 of them said anything about a blast before the plane's hit . bebunked enough?
     
  7. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Err, wrong.

    There are dozens upon dozens of eyewitness accounts of bombs going off in and around the two towers prior to their collapse. This includes the eyewitness accounts of several New York City firefighters, like Lou Cacchioli:

    We were the first ones in the second tower after the plane struck. I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there was bombs set in the building. I had just asked another firefighter to stay with me, which was a good thing because we were trapped inside the elevator and he had the tools to get out.

    There were probably 500 people trapped in the stairwell. It was mass chaos. The power went out. It was dark. Everybody was screaming. We had oxygen masks and we were giving people oxygen. Some of us made it out and some of us didn't. I know of at least 30 firefighters who are still missing. This is my 20th year. I am seriously considering retiring. This might have done it.

    The William Rodriguez account is one of the most disturbing, since it is a perfect indicator of timed explosives placed within the buildings' foundations.

    William Rodriguez has nothing to lie about. He saved the lives of several people that morning, and is believed to be one of the last people out of the buildings. If anyone is a 9/11 hero, it's this guy, not George Bush the coward, who exploited this tragedy for his own political gain.
     
  8. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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  9. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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  10. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    yeah it's proves more than 1 person was alive during the attacks but didnt mention any explosions . you can also get the full transcripts online over 600 phonecalls
     
  11. Angel_Headed_Hipster

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    Yes, but if you read William Rodriguez's Story, him and 14 other people who were on the basement floor heard explosions from BELOW them, meaning the explosions were very far down in the building, and people in the upper levels probably didn't even feel them.
     
  12. jim_w

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    One word - bollocks. :)
     
  13. Pointbreak

    Pointbreak Banned

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    I think this thread shows the futility of debunking.
     
  14. POPthree13

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    Again I reitterate, in simpler terms.


    Sound and vibrations travel MUCH faster through concrete than sound through air.

    If you were standing in the basement and an explosion occured a thousand feet above you would definitely feel and here the substructure pass the sound and vibrations (from below you and/or around you) before the sound reached you from above. In fact the exploding gas would also reach you well before the sound from above.

    It's like feeling a bullet hit you before you here the gun being fired and then assuming there must have been two shots. The one you felt and THEN the one you heard.
     
  15. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Did you even read the article, POP? Apparently you chose to focus on only one thing, while ignoring everything else mentioned in the article.

    How do you explain the severe burns suffered by the man on the basement levels?
     
  16. soccergirl

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    It is a scientific fact that during a time of crisis when life hangs in the balance and your adrenaline is pumping, your scared and there is alot of confusion your memory afterwards plays tricks on you.

    I believe the janitor is being honest about what he heard and saw however, being honest does not make you right.
     
  17. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Right. Especially if several other people experienced the exact same thing.

    Again, did you even read the article? This all happened within seconds, and before anyone knew what had happened.
     
  18. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Rodriguez and the author are the ones who says that there were several other people who can back this story but, nothing has been heard from them. You would think that Greg Szymanski would have included them.

    By your logic, Pressed Rat, Rodriguez himself could be a suspect. Isn't it strange that he happened to be late for work the day 9/11 happened. I don't think Rodriguez had anything to do with it but that is the logic your using.
     
  20. Angel_Headed_Hipster

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    hahahaha, "Isn't it strange that he happened to be late for work the day 9/11 happened"

    Have you not heard the hundreds of stories of people who were late on 9/11 and narrowly escaped death because of it? Hell, it happened to so many people it even happened to my neighbor, and she lives in NJ...that is not an uncommon story and to say that WIlliam Rodriguez had something to do with 9/11 because he was late is absolutley absurd.

    Peace and Love,
    Dan
     
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