I know a little bit about it but I wonder what you know about it. About how McCarthy came to be in power for such a brief spit in the bucket yet managed to disenfranchise so many americans so quickly and even kill a few. Perhaps it's my own interest but that era seems to be a crucial turning point in all it's tangents. Just after the meeting in NYC of the H10 all cain broke loose in American history. It amazes me and makes me intrigued because it was a period when many Americans were very close to becoming a unified body of a good time(prosperity and all, and good gawd, flapper girls, the ultimate hottie). Entertainment was at a high point with new technology and it was banned and erased unless approved by HUAC. The bodies of that dreadful Hollywood tried to stand up but they were beaten down and then abandoned. Several of those H10 were brilliant writers and artists yet they got shuffled under the rug and remained banned even after the 'official' blist ended with Mcarthy sitting on the throne in congress spitting all over himself about the army. Anyway, anyone seriously interested in this, I've been collecting shwag over it for awhile and always appreciate new input. Thanx.
McCarthy, in my opinion, was a good man and a true patriot who truly loved his country. He was used by the Establishment to push an agenda, and when he came to know too much, his career was destroyed. McCarthy was right in believing that a communist conspiracy poses a threat to this country. However, McCarthy's rhetoric was used by the Establishment, mainly to promote the idea of an outside spy/infiltrator threat, when the real threat was coming from within our own government the entire time, as McCarthy alluded. After all, the West created Communism. The big banks funded it. When McCarthy came to know too much, after being used by the government to spread fear amongst the masses, he was discredited and destroyed. His career was ruined and he became a bitter alcoholic and died not long after. I believe that Commumism is a bigger and stronger threat than ever, and the biggest mistake is to believe it's actually dead. The problem is, people associate Communsim with the Soviet Union and China, not understanding what Communism really is. Fact is, Communism is nothing more than a tyrannical system of control in which freedoms are supressed and humanity is enslaved by an all-powerful central government. The US is heading more and more towards a Communist state everyday. But the commies will never understand this, since they don't underdstand that Communism is nothing more than monopoly capitalism controlled by the Banking and Corporate Elite, and administered by the state to impoverish and enslave the masses. People that support Communism are nothing but dupes used to promote tyranny and a fascistic system of control and domination.
http://www.rense.com/politics6/mc.htm Communism - McCarthy Was Right By Jon Basil Utley © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com WASHINGTON -- Although Joseph McCarthy was one of the most demonized American politicians of the last century, new information -- including half-century-old FBI recordings of Soviet embassy conversations -- are showing that McCarthy was right in nearly all his accusations. "With Joe McCarthy it was the losers who've written the history which condemns him," said Dan Flynn, director of <http://www.academia.org Accuracy in Academia's recent national conference on McCarthy, broadcast by C-SPAN. Using new information obtained from studies of old Soviet files in Moscow and now the famous Vanona Intercepts -- FBI recordings of Soviet embassy communications between 1944-48 -- the record is showing that McCarthy was essentially right. He had many weaknesses, but almost every case he charged has now been proven correct. Whether it was stealing atomic secrets or influencing U.S. foreign policy, communist victories in the 1940s were fed by an incredibly vast spy and influence network. The conference, a gathering of old McCarthyites and younger scholars, commemorated the senator's first speech, in Wheeling, West Virginia 50 years ago, when he first held up a list of names of employees of the State Department whom, he said, were major security risks. McCarthy questioned how, in six short years after America's winning of World War II, the communist world was triumphant and had expanded to include 800 million people. Of the lists, a key one consisted of 108 names from a House Appropriations Committee report, of persons declared as "security risks" in the State Department -- the Lee List. The House committee chairman had complained that State wasn't bothering to do anything about the suspects. Details of the list and its accusations were presented at the conference. Speakers detailed many of the cover-ups used to smear McCarthy. Veteran journalist and teacher Stan Evans, director of National Journalism Center, told of the Tydings Committee, which had investigated McCarthy's charges of communists in government. Its report had exonerated everybody. Among the accused it stated categorically that there was no evidence against Owen Lattimore, a man McCarthy said was a major figure in the communist conspiracy. Lattimore had been Roosevelt's key advisor on China policy. Yet Evans showed evidence from 5,000 pages of FBI files on him -- files released only a few years ago to the public, although the White House had access to them. However, evidence before the committee showed that Lattimore had supported Soviet policy at every turn, even declaring that the Stalin purge trials in Russia, "sound like democracy to me." With then-Vice President Henry Wallace in Russia, Lattimore compared concentration camps to the Tennessee Valley Authority, and later urged Washington to abandon China to communism and to withdraw from Japan and Korea. FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover, who had fed information to McCarthy, broke with him afterwards, fearing McCarthy would prejudice FBI sources of information for its criminal prosecutions. Although most of McCarthy's cases involved actual spies and "security risks," the really important issue was that of communist influence over American foreign policy, argued Evans. Harry Hopkins, Roosevelt's closest advisor who lived in the White House, had regular contacts with Soviet intelligence. He helped bring about the disastrous Yalta and Pottsdam agreements. The Morganthau Plan, to prevent German reconstruction and starve the Germans to make them desperate enough to go communist, was the product of Laughlin Currie and Harry Dexter White at the Treasury Department. The abandonment of Chiang Kai-shek by denying military support was the product of "China Hands" led by John Stewart Service, John Patton Davies, and Lattimore. Evans described other major spy networks -- in England, the Burgess Maclean group which infiltrated Washington as well as London. Reed Irvine, chairman of Accuracy in Media, told how he himself had been a leftist in his early career. He had been against McCarthy, but McCarthy's speeches had made him think and start to read "evidence that I had avoided." He described how all during his military career as a Marine officer and later in Japan with the U.S. occupation he had never hidden his leftist views and later had even been offered a job at the CIA. Irvine argued that real communists were only in the hundreds, but that thousands of leftists, such as he, all feared McCarthy and had wanted him discredited. Pulling all the latest evidence together was luncheon speaker Professor Arthur Herman. His new book, "Joseph McCarthy: Reexamining the Life and Legacy of America's Most Hated Senator," and featured in the Sunday New York Times Magazine, shows the vindication of most of McCarthy's charges. Herman, who is also coordinator of the Smithsonian's Western Heritage Program, said that the accuracy of McCarthy's charges "was no longer a matter of debate," that they are "now accepted as fact." However, the term "McCarthyism" still remains in the language. Asked whether McCarthy had understood all the forces arrayed against him, Herman said no, that McCarthy hadn't realized he'd be fighting against much of the Washington establishment. President Truman was fearful that exposures would reflect on key Democrat officials, he said, and big media and the academic world were very leftist, a heritage of the Depression and World War II. High government officials also feared investigations of their past appointments and associations with people who turned out to be communists or sympathizers. That was the reason McCarthy was so demonized, he said. Joe McCarthy had been a Marine air gunner, an amateur boxer, a county judge and towards his end, under constant attack, he began to drink heavily. Herman said he certainly was over his head and his fall came about after sweeping attacks on General Marshall and the Army. Senator Taft and other key supporters began to draw away from him. If Robert Kennedy, his competent and well-connected co-counsel, had stayed on, McCarthy might have behaved more carefully, said Herman. An argument with other co-counsel Roy Cohn left Cohn in charge, but Cohn and staffer David Schine were disastrous for McCarthy. Still, McCarthy's original charges helped bring about Eisenhower's electoral victory and the defeat of the Democrats and key leftist Democratic senators such as Tydings of Maryland. Four years after his original charges, Joe McCarthy was censured by the Senate and died shortly thereafter. There is more evidence to come. Herb Rome Stein, another speaker, who started out with the old House Un-American Activities Committee, is writing a book about the Vanona FBI intercepts and their links to other evidence from his comprehensive study in Russia of Soviet archives, made available to Westerners since the fall of communism. His book, The Vanona Secrets, will be released by Regnery Gateway this fall. <http://www.academia.org Audiotapes of the "Accuracy in Academia" conference are available online. <mailto:jbutley@earthlink.net Jon Utley, a former foreign correspondent in Latin America and a longtime commentator for the Voice of America, is the Robert A. Taft Fellow for Constitutional and International Studies at the Ludwig von Mises Institute.
Why didn't the super bankers just pull a couple strings and cut the brakes on McCarthy's car or something? I would think that would have been alot easier than letting him stick around.
Rat says Mr. Rense is geniune. Others claim he is insane. You know what I think? He's a genius. I mean, he must have made a small fortune off of rat and all the links rat posts to his web site alone. Think of all the rest of the paranoid conspiracy theorists flocking to his site and frantically clicking on the advertisements painted all over the main page.
Who said anything about Rense? If you're referring to the article I posted above, and if you can actually read, you would see that the article originated not with Rense, but WorldNetDaily. Don't be so ignorant, kid. It doesn't do any good to insult unless you have facts and can dispute my words like a person with some actual knowledge. Not like somebody who is all talk and nothing else. Your vapid insults prove nothing, other than what an ignoramus you are.
I like rat's theory much better. It may sound nutty, but it's not at all boring. I think that I can add yet another circle to it though. McCarthy actually was a communist himself. Consider the effect that he had on communism. He made no noticable inpact on the strength of communism anywhere in the world. His efforts were all for naught, communism was made no weaker. If anything more people sympathized with the commies due to McCarthy's actions. The commies, including McCarthy, were looking far down the road. Today if anybody mentions communism as a threat they get laughed at, largerly due to McCarthy making anti-communism look stupid and paranoid. See, now that we have let our guard down the commies are going to strike. There IS Red under the bed.
I understand where you are coming from, Jumbo, but I believe that McCarthy was used by the government in a way that would deliberately discredit him. I will definitely agree with you that McCarthyism made a laughing stock out of what is a very real and dangerous problem, but I do not think this was McCarthy's intention.
That's stupid. Really really stupid. It's like saying "people who say Islam is a religion are wrong - it's really a system for killing white people in terrorist attacks" - sure, a lot of people claim that they're bombing for Allah, but that doesn't in any way affect what Islam *is*. In the same way, the fact that a lot of insane fools used the name of communism to do evil things doesn't fundamentally change the nature of the communist theory. The phenomenon you talk about could be called "despotism", "fascism", "totallitarianism" - take your pick. But to take the name of an unrelated political movement and give it a new, special RAT meaning is just stupid. In fact, why are you doing it? What weird conspiracy-based purpose does it serve? I'm looking forward to this...
The more I think about it the more I consider that his intent was not all that important. Perhaps at the time it was important but it no longer is. McCarthy is dead, his contemporaries are dead, and HUAC is defunct. Communism is on a visible decline world wide. However, McCarthy's legacy will in the end be beneficial for global communism whether McCarthy himself was a communist or not. Communism will never be defeated if we refuse to take it seriously, and McCarthy made it difficult for may people to take communiusm seriously.
I would disagree that Communism is on a decline. I think it's on an uprise. But like I said before, people only see Communism in terms of the former Soviet Union, not grasping the fact that Communism is nothing more than the centralization of power in the hands of an elite few.
No shit, Sherlock! They're the same fucking thing. And don't let anyone try to tell you otherwise. Don't believe the lie that Communism is the opposite of fascism, when they are in fact the exact same thing.
Not all communists are fascists. there are communists out there who want to really do good things and help the poor and downtrodden.
What if pressed is actually being manipulated by the nwo to diliberately try to discredit his discrediting.
