Mystery of God unfolding

Do you think that someone who has experienced the mysterious ways of God revealing God's self through existing creation should remain silent about the mysteries of God so that others can experience the unfolding of their own personal mystery without someone giving away spoilers beforehand?

Is it better to let God bring others into their own mystery and not discuss the truths of God publically (sorta like not talking about the plot of a movie when you are sitting in a theatre full of people)?

Does a proselytizer lack subtleness like a brazen whore baring her wares?

 

....can somebody translate this into english? Because what I'm reading makes no sense....

(note: I understand what he is saying, I just don't get the point behind it. Thusly, this a a remark of sarcasm)

 

Possibly it would have been better to not ask these questions publically?

 

Proselytizers certainly lack subtlety - or many of them do.
But the truth is that I never yet met a proselytizer who I really thought had actually had any experience of God's mysteries or Self revelation. Mostly, they just parrot what they've been taught by others.

But even so, if one had such experience, I don't think talking to others would be a spoiler because each person will experience God in their own way. It isn't that there is just one 'set' experience - there seems to be a great diversity. Perhaps an infinite diversity.
Where it could go amiss is if someone insisted that only their experience was valid, or only their way of seeing or interpretation of what they see, and tried to force that on everyone. (sound familiar?)
But really, unless people are interested it's a waste of time to say very much.

It's also a waste of time asking questions of those who can't understand clear english. (unless you're using a different language)

 

Truths are out there anyway ... but one needs to reach within.

 

All I know is that anyone who publically claims to have "seen/known God" usually gets locked in an assylum somewhere......unless they have close ties/blelongs to a church, then we'll make 'em saints *shrugs*

 

So possibly, the people who are just begining their journey of understanding will not be interested in the meat of mystery...

Ohh. We're speaking english now?

 

what about people who are not spiritual at all how would they find god

 

kharakov, this is my first time back on the forums in a little while now, and the last 3 threads i looked into, you had 3 greattt comments in them - or several in each. the initial post that created this thread is GREAT. i think about this a LOT, and believe completely in the *mystification* of God's definition to an individual. The learnt assumptions that are being digested completely and inevitably blur vision, and how we interpret, and further, connect with 'The'/our God, but i also take so strongly to mind the unavoidable nature of learnt assumptions being fed to us, differently (obviously) to EVERY individual, in every different culture, or even neighborhood within a city. It is definitely inevitable that we each have a zilllllllllion different ideologies and perceptions just waiting for us with the digesting of whatever learnt assumption lies for us to absorb.

I've really been realizing all i just said more and more just lately (the last 2 semesters of school) - this more objective view, yet not nearly yet... as i'm continueing to grow =) i'm learning that if we just blindly accept ANY information, it *mystifies*... but i'm also learning that if we reject it, we are selling ourself short of a world of plausable reality... instead, if we hold our worldview to always be in flux, and with that understanding not accept, not reject, but CHEW every information we come acress, and just see what THEY see, if we could (never completely), we see the truths that they hold, the reality that they believe, and now get to make the connections to a more *objective reality* with a larger resivoir of perceptions - while knowing all are truly never stable or objective, but stilllll alays growing.

Which leads me, kharakov and everybody else who is reading, Doesn't it just BLOW your mind thinking of how there is this mystery that pulls us into this particular path, towards this particular Beauty? The Beauty that you speak of in your post, the One(ness) that is found only after destabilizing the learnt assumptions that painted -for us- our image of God...

I know so well that all our paths are soooo unique, so BEAUTIFULLLLY unique, and that itself definitely influences my own definition of God, but, look at the pull towards this Beautiful that is so so so obviously present in every truly spiritual Being... Now, may i not say oneeeeeeee more word to mystify any more (because i surely do have an opinion, and i'd love to share it later in this thread hopefully), but do you all think it is that influences/created this particular pull towards this particular Beauty?

much much much love, light, and peace to you allllll, ~Ethan

 

I think if you start to look within yourself -regardless WHO you are, how far along you are on any spiritual path or how lost you are apart from one- when you look within yourself, and you see all that makes YOU YOU, all that has influenced you, and still influences, you begin to truly see your true essence. When you're conscious of your true essence, you might, and hopefully do become awakened to the possibilities that rest behind the barriers that were created by the digestion of certain ideologies or 'assumed truths', and begin to see the UNIVERSE through the eyes that aren't so necessarily ATTACHED to alllllll that has created your physical body, and that present time's worldview... all the assumptions that operate the interpretation of the life you're seeing through your TWO EYES.

For the people who are not spiritual, to answer your question (who i'd define after that first paragraph, as being those who don't reflect on what they're seeing through their two eyes), i dont think it's possible to find God if you don't let go of that consciousness that might not necessarily be as close to Objective truth as you can get. If we're not looking to Grow, grow towards new life, life closer to God - close towards what IS, then i wouldn't say that person is living a spiritual life, and i don't think in their own life, they're supposed to find God...

I think it'd be beautiful if more people were awoken to becoming simply inspired by the mystery, and seeing for themselves... not falling into black and white lies, or rejecting biasly... but, there is NO one TRUE path. to each their own. i think God kindles a spiritual fire inside the soul of ANY individual once he or she simply CHOOSES to be living a life with an intention to grow...

 

I agree with you (in fact I was thinking about the same ideas in almost the same terminology over the past couple days (I eat thoughts and digest them)).

A 'get to know you better before I sleep with you' phase with God?

 

i'm going to love seeing your comments around here kharakov =)

but i'm curious - because this is eating away at me now - what do you do for a living? i'm in the university right now, and man o man, do i just want to get out on the road, back to where i know i belong... but bah, i took that stream right down into college, even though i dont see myself every working as anything other then a teacher(if i ever leave communal living/vagabond life.) i want to leave NOW, but i want to stay and grow in the university, and get a teaching degree... how do you meet your ends, if you dont mind me asking. i know i relate with you like noone i have on this forum, and i've just commented on only 5 posts or so =P i'd love to know. how do you incorporate the kindling of spiritual fires in the hearts of people in your job? i know this is what i want to do as a teacher more then anything.

 

MagnanimityMan

Rely on God to bring me sustenance. Haven't had a job in over a year, although every once in a while I do a little bit of work for my friends or parents. At first it was hard to break away from the preconcieved notions of work that God instilled in me for my childhood, after a while, God provided me with enough reassurance that I am confidant that God is paving the way before me to be an integral part of the tapestry of life without dishonest effort on my part (working for a living (prostitution) instead of relying upon God is dishonest for someone who is faithful to God, although some need work to help build their faith).

Sometimes it is best to have faith in God and let God make your decisions for you. Now, doubt might arise in the early stages of your journey, but you will eventually understand why God leads you in certain directions.

I don't. God does

I recommend watching "Office Space" to attain spiritual understanding of what a job is.

Since my job is everything I come in contact with, and I am familiar with many different modes of thought, I just let myself flow, even if the flow gets muddy. You don't really have to do anything other than be yourself wherever you are and you are already kindling spiritual fires within people.

Part of me is consideration for others levels of understanding. The other day, I was talking to my cousin about God, the meaning of the word Jerusalem, etc. When I got too deep for his understanding, he took off his glasses and said "There is something on my glasses" which was a cue from God that he was not ready to discern what I was about to offer him.... So I changed the subject to caterpillars.

Cute little buggers..

 

we are responsible for the wellbeing of the entire kingdom of heaven and earth and as such, self enlightenment is not enough, and we must work together to open the minds of all our brothers and sisters.

 

Kharakov, I think if you have expereince God personally your best bet is to seek help from a doctor. If you catch schizophrenia at the begining stages you can save any sanity you have left (and if your problem is just occasional halucinations it is not too bad) through medication.

Just because you want it to be real doesn't make it so.

 

If God shows his mysteries to someone it is for that someone only, unless he tells him/her to go and reveal them to others , he shall not. Let God do his work and you do yours... it saves time that way.

 

I can't afford a doctor. Well, I guess I could bum money for one, but I think they would end up believing as I do. Maybe it is a good idea for me to talk to a doctor. You pay the bills. By the way, I need aderol for my AD&D... Well, at least to help me pay attention to the game. I want to convince some DM to let me magic jar a powerful being and make it permanent....

Yeah, occasionally I hear voices, whatever voices God uses. I always see things when I open my eyes. Really I do. Must be crazy. Right now I am seeing all these characters that I interprete as words. Pretty fuckin' trippy, must be what schizos see.

Yeah, I tried to imagine a kilo of cocaine into existence. Didn't work, so I settled for reality. Of course, who's to say (well, besides the voices in my head) whether or not I will ever have the ability to bum coke from God (not all the time, but every once in a while it would be cool if God gave me some kick ass yeyo to share with my friends- I mean, God's yeah has to be the best shit there is... \/\/007!!!).

 

Yeah, and it's a whole hell of a lot easier too. I mean, God knows what people need to hear and will put the words in us. Even without telling me what to say, God guides my words.

 

haha

 

As both a straight A Psychology student, and one whom has personally experienced God, I am sorry, but you are incorrect.