I just finished reading a book called The Cosmic Serpent, and at one point in this book the author talks about how the tobacco used in the western world is a different variety than the traditional tobacco used, for one example, by many cultures of the amazon. I can't remember exactly but I think that the traditional stuff is Nicotania Rustica or something like that. It is way more safe than western tobacco, especially if you roll it in hemp paper, or smoke it out of a bong. It contains about 8 times as much nicotine as western tobacco and so you need far less. In fact at high doses it can be borderline psychedelic. Perhaps nicotine addicts can utilize traditional tobacco to reduce their consumption and avoid the rediculous health hazards posed by cigarette smoking. For anyone interested just search online for ethnobotanical websites. I know that Bouncing Bear Botanicals carries it, and it is really cheap compared to cigarettes. I think you can even get live plants.
also there are alot less cancer causing chemicals in it becasue i think about 90% of all cancer causeing chemicals are added to cigs by the cig companys,natural tabacco is far better then store bought
Not necessarily; the main dangers of smoking cigarettes are cancer and emphysema; you'll get emphysema from smoking ANYTHING for a long period of time, and tobacco's quite carcinogenic in and of itself (besides the additives). Smoking through a waterbong would be much healthier than smoking out of regular papers, but smoking with hemp papers isn't going to help matters any (especially if you compare a commercial cigarette with a filter vs. a handrolled without). As for the psychedelic effects of nicotine, no; nicotine is a stimulant, and at high doses, a deadly neurotoxin. Try ingesting enough nicotine to experience any "psychedelic" effects and see how quick you vomit.
Throwing up is a part of the initiation process. The tabaqueros say that the initiate must continually ingest tobacco until it know longer makes him or her throw up. Then they are ready to use it to heal. Furthermore the natives of my area typically fall onto the floor and have intense visions after ingesting tobacco. Aside from the sugars, chlorophyl, and unused fertilizers in the plant I doubt that tobacco (rustica) is really that carcinogenic. When grown, dried, cured, and ingested properly it is probably not that bad. The tabaqueros who eat it do not seem to be dying of mouth or throat cancer. Also, hemp paper is definitely safer than the chemical drenched garbage that cigarettes are sold in. I agree with deadonceagain about how most of the deadly stuff is added in.
Throwing up is the first sign of poisoning; I've gone through 6-7 packs of Marlboro's and Camels a night, and even when continuing to smoke for hours after the intial sickness, no psychedelic properties can be noted. However, since compounds like cyanide are present (also a powerful neurotoxin), an amateur could easily confuse the effects of such poisoning as a psychedelic state. No, and for good reason; when tobacco's eaten it winds up in the stomach, which can lead to ulcers and tumors. People who dip (or chew) tobacco are OFTEN diagnosed with mouth and throat cancer. I would also like to see the data you're using to compare the "chemical drenched" papers used by commerical manufacturers vs. hemp papers; it would be redundant to treat the paper with chemicals when there's so much tobacco to work with. I'd also like to know what makes you think that hemp papers aren't treated...
You can easily poison yourself with the rustica strain. I recall reading a personal account of somebody harvesting their first crop; they wern't wearing gloves and absorbed enough nicotine through their skin to make them ill...
I am not talking about amatuers, I am talking about people who have used it for thousands of years. Also, they don't seem to be dying from stomach problems either. I am not debating the toxicity of tobacco. Also, I have never met anyone who dips with anything other than western tobacco so of course they get cancer. Of course marlboro's didn't cause psychedelic responses, that stuff is garbage. Cigarette papers are definitely treated with chemicals. If they weren't, they would not be white. Paper isn't naturally white. I don't have any evidence to support my claim but no one will ever convince me that hemp is as bad as non hemp papers, although I do realize that smoking anything is bad for you. The taste is one hint. Joints rolled in hemp taste good and go down smooth. Other papers have a nasty taste, and are more harsh goin down.
I'm not an amateur, I've been using high-powered psychedelics for approximately 10 years now; I've experimented with all forms of tobacco with all methods of ingestion, and it simply IS NOT PSYCHEDELIC! No one's used tobacco for thousands of years...find me ONE person over the age of 130 and I'll kiss your ass. I've met SEVERAL native Americans who dip with rustica, and many of them HAVE developed ulcers/tumors in their stomachs. Simply not knowing anyone who dips with other kinds of tobacco doesn't give you the experience or knowledge necessary to deem such as anything close to "healthy." I've seen more bleached hemp papers than I have "natural" or "un-treated" hemp papers; both are catch-phrases in today's industry, and even when applied to something as tastey as hemp papers, have to be considered as marketing schemes. Just because something "tastes smooth" doesn't mean it's healthy. I seriously recommend you do some serious research on tobacco before responding to this thread; buying into commercialist "hemp papers," trusting anti-commercial-tobacco propaganda and attempting to justify tobacco use by indicating that the health issues aren't serious would be a fatal mistake...
commercial tobacco is cured, and loses a lot of its nicotine, erowid says. anyway, the super strong tobacco isnt a solution for smokers, there are already strong cigarettes but most smokers smoke light cigarettes, to feed their habits without getting too much nicotine. otherwise wouldnt they just get tobacco with added nicotine? anyway i dont think the native americans would lie about their visions, theyre probably just doing something that no one else does and no one here knows of completely
