OT Jesus Prophecy Falsity

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by MrRee, Aug 7, 2005.

  1. MrRee

    MrRee Senior Member

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    It is commonly claimed that the messianic advent was prophesied in the Old Testament. This is because there is no authentic verification for the mistaken belief of christians that the supposed jesus was real, let alone a messiah.
    The supposed Jesus accepted OT prophets and prophecy, and christianity does likewise in a vain attempt at authentication. But the OT prophets used as reference are themselves prophetic frauds.
    The integrity of Jesus depends on the Old Testament prophets, since he accepted them as true prophets, and promoted their writings.

    Using the OT Biblical method for testing the authenticity of any prophet ~
    If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him. (Deuteronomy 18:21-22)
    3 supposed prophets who "foretold" of the messiah that christians claim foretold Jesus were Isiah, Jeremiah, & Ezekiel.

    Isaiah was a false prophet ~
    Isaiah prophesied that the Nile River would completely dry up (Isaiah 19:5-10), and that the Egyptians would be converted en masse to Jehovah (verses 19-22). Afterwards, Egypt, Israel, and Assyria would become friendly world powers, and worship Jehovah together (verses 23-25). This had to be fulfilled in the 7th or 8th century BC, between the time of the prophecy, and the fall of the Assyrian nation.
    There is no record of the Nile River ever drying up. Nor has Egypt ever been converted to Jehovah. Throughout the 7th and 8th centuries BC, Egypt preferred its own god, Amon. Egypt's relationship with Assyria could never be described as the blissful alliance of independent nations envisioned by Isaiah. Instead, Egypt warred against, was subjugated by, and revolted against Assyria. Only in the last year or two of Assyria's existence did Pharaoh Necho support it as a buffer state against the potential threat of the Medes and Babylonians. In 609 BC, the last Assyrian troops capitulated to the conquering Medes and Babylonians, and Assyria ceased to exist – forever. Isaiah's utopian trio of righteous nations never materialized.

    Jeremiah was a false prophet ~
    Jeremiah prophesied that three events would occur at the end of 70 years of Babylonian supremacy – that the Medes would conquer Babylon; that as a result of the violent attack, Babylon would become totally and permanently desolate; and that the captive Jews would be released from Babylon, and return to Judea (Jeremiah 25:12; 29:10; chapters 50-51). According to 2 Chronicles 36:20-22, Jeremiah's "70 years" expired in 539-538 BC when Cyrus the Great captured Babylon and released the Jews.
    While it is true that Babylon was captured and the Jews released, the remainder of Jeremiah's prophecy failed miserably. It was Persia – not Media – that captured Babylon. Furthermore, the capture was not carried out by violent, bloody battle, but by treason and political intrigue.
    Instead of being immediately and permanently destroyed, Babylon actually prospered, advanced, and became the center of the richest satrapy in the Persian empire. Herodotus of the 5th century BC wrote that Babylon was the world's most splendid city. Babylon continued to be an important city until 275 BC, when a new capital, Seleucia, was built. Even at that time Babylon did not become desolate. In fact, a major Jewish center thrived there for centuries, producing the Babylonian Talmud. The city continued to be inhabited into the 11th century AD, at least 1500 years after Jeremiah's 70-year prophecy.

    Ezekiel was a false prophet ~
    Contrary to Isaiah's vision of Egypt as a Jehovah-worshiping world power, Ezekiel prophesied, in about 588 BC, that Nebuchadrezzar, king of Babylon would scatter the Egyptians, making their land so desolate that no man or animal would pass through Egypt or live there for 40 years. After 40 years, they would return and be a weak nation (Ezekiel 29:8-16; 30:10-12,20-26; 32:11-15). Egypt was never destroyed by Nebuchadrezzar, nor by any other Babylonian king, and was never vacated for any 40-year period throughout history.

    Jeramiah even spoke of the fraudulent propensities of his ilk when he said ~ Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you.... They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD. (Jeremiah 23:16)
    These are the very same false prophets to whom the supposed Jesus referred, and upon which Christianity bases the messianic jesus falsification.
    And then there are the prophecies of the supposed jesus himself that are themselves false, such as "I tell you this generation will not pass away before I return".
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  2. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    Lol...
     
  3. ryupower

    ryupower NO capcom included

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    There are pagan stories that tell of Jesus, you know.

    And Isaiah was a false prophet if he could fortell (sp?) Jesus' life, eh?
     
  4. MrRee

    MrRee Senior Member

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    Point 1 ~ the "pagan stories" you referr to have been used by christianity in an atempt to give credibility to the jesus lie. Because the pagan stories kept appearing in archeological digs despite christianity's concerted attempts over time to destroy and discredit all pagan myths, they now seek to deviously use them as proof of jc.
    Point 2 ~ Using the bible's own method for authentication of a prophet, Isiah is a fales prophet, as is the supposed jesus. Put it to the test yourself ~ use the edicts of Deuteronomy 18 :21-22 and apply them to the supposed prophets, and you should come to the conclusion as written in the initial post which points out the prophetic failings ~ failings which are the proof of false prophecy.
    Because you are so young and *(apparently)* indoctrinated, you have yet to witness the wiles of human nature and believe all that you are told is true without question. This happens to all people, so you are not alone in that. But over time you may develop the ability to descriminate truth from lie, and if so, the scales shall be removed from your eyes and you will truly able to say "I once was blind but now I see."
    May such a blessing enrich your life.
     
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