riiiiiight. What does installing freedom to other parts of the world have to do piss stains on his shirt.
read some of his posts in the begining of this thread! i know i shoudent use this as thread as a personal conversation with someone i feel like i dont like! and i apoligize but he pissed me off early!! and if you think that we are there to install "freedom" i think you are mistaken !! i have no desire to be rude with anyone on this site we are all entitld to our opinions! but if you look at his posts early in this thread i think you can understand why im going off a little bit!! i apoligize!! but still stand with what i have said what goes around comes around! peace!!!!!
You can't tell me we are not installing a democracy. We are there installing it, they are drawing up a constitution, they are able to elect their own officials. Sounds like freedom to me.
If you think we are there for oil or whatever. Fine. That is your opinion, but the fact is we are installing a democracy. OMG FREEDOM! NO WAY! ELECTING YOUR OFFICIALS! IRAQIS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED!
We are there for oil, what do you think this country runs on? No installing a good government is the first priority. Establishing a base in which to run pro-democratic operations is the second. We need to get cozy with the pro-democratic Iranians, move on from there.
Did I say that we are not there for oil? That is part of it, I'm not denying that. But the fact is we are installing a democracy. We get oil and give Iraqi's freedom. Soooooooooo bad.
Well what if they were to come up with an alternate non-oil based economy, (just for shits and giggles, hypothetical analogy), and they said we don't give a flying fuck about selling the us oil, as a matter of fact we're going to cap the wells, as a matter of fact, now that we're a new democracy and we can vote on what we want, we vote that you get the fuck out. I'm sure our beloved democratic government spreading all that liberty and freedom would just say "okey dokey, you know that's what it's all about" give a pat on the back, a thumbs up, and pack it up. riiiiiiiiight.
It's going to take decades for the U.S. to even begin to recover the $300 billion that was spent in terms of getting oil from Iraq, even if we got every barrel for free, which we won't. .
Well now that another thread has been thuroughly hijacked might as well... not to get between flmkpr and gilligan... but really lol gilligan, propping up pictures of products from companies who've all benefitted from nice gov subsidies and then yapping about free market.
sounded like freedom to the idiots who wrote kill a commie for christ on their helmets when they saw the farce elections in south vietnam...... do you know about the vietnam war? do you know that the united states gov't violated an international agreement, made a government in southern vietnam, made them seperate countries, installed a ruler, claimed there were democratic elections, and then sent in our troops to fight and die (gulf of tonkin, ring any bells?) so please, just because the puppet media tells you that they are drafting a constitution which is nowhere near done yet, that the officials were legitimatly elected (just like karzai, bushes old oil buddy) doesn't mean that the huge rupert murdock owned corporat media is telling the truth, shit the man owns one of the most conservative news outlets in the U.S. and some of the most liberal, do you really think that businesses that are playing both sides of the field are telling you the truth? or do you trust micky mouse, or perhaps GE........
The difference between vietnam is we pulled out, Bush has no intent on pulling out before a democracy is installed. hahaha, i am no puppet of the media. Vietnam was then, this is now. Different administration, same old bullshit, whatever. It takes a long time to draw up a constitution.
a "democracy" was installed in vietnam, I think you need to look at history before you say that this is such a valid creature that we have loosed, we were in vietnam for years after we installed a "democracy" they had a constitution, we still had to run out with our tail between our legs it doesn't seem to me that you understand the true timeline of vietname or how amazingly closely it parallels this folly, more folly because we made this mistake before
ok gill i have no desire to hijake this thread or become your enemy. i got pissd with your first posts in this thread. i should have goten just as pissd at i think at (interval illu)?? so we both got heated at things that we should have not! i believe (bush)should be impeached!! i truly dont care who you buy your shirts from! the reason i think bush should be impeached is that i beleive that he knowingly lied and instructed his inferiors to do so on his instruction! not only to congress but to the united nations who we as a nation have had an agreement with to try and promote peace in this world! when we as a country have agreements of witch we have kept none that i can think of we loose are credibility the bill that prez clinton signd into law never mentiond an all ot attack !!!that i can find!! we as a country at war with an a attacker had no buissnes attacking a secular country that offerd education to woman free school to all its citizens free health care!! was he a tyrnt yes!!!!! so how is it any better in the reigon!!! did he gas his own pepole! my answer is no he did not he gased his enemy!! do i think the kurds should halv there own state! absolutly! do i think we should just leave iraq now!ABSOLUTLY NOT!!! i hope to talk with you again!! may peace be within you!!!