Eyewitness: 9/11 rescue effort

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4147958.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4145490.stm

Please use this information carefully...

 

these are very harrowing to look at. awful. some of the imagery is truly diabolical. i did notice that a couple of eyewitnesses mention an 'explosion' and one guy even says he thought it was an explosion going off and not the building collapsing. one wonders about the motives of new york city council in trying 2 have thses transcripts banned.

 

James this is why i asked for this information to used carefully...

 

*cough credibility gap cough*

 

What do you mean by that .... *hands over cough mixture*.

 

I mean that they had plenty of time to eff around with audio tapes and transcripts and give the firefighters time to forget and cave and die mysteriously and it still not seem connected to 9/11.........



maybe I'm paranoid, but time is the greatest weapon of any entity, and shit, I'd be playing with data while It'd been away, I'd create artificial conspiracy theories to toss out to distract attention from any real sort of thing and then I would set people to discrediting them




just what my strategy would be if I were in power and had done something evil.....

 

I think you maybe the most paranoid person within these forums [no offence].

The only evil doers in this situation are a bunch of religous jihadis and way too much time on there hands..

 

Matthew - you are probably the most proficient at parroting whatever you hear spewed by the mainstream media.

"Religious Jihadis".... LOL! That's almost better than "evil doers".

 

I remember watching the collapse of the WTC towers as it happened, and my immedite thought was "that's a controlled demolition."
A textbook example.
And that day or the next, i heard people saying they saw bombs in the corner of floors as they fled.

For those who just can't believe bushco would sacrifice the lives of 1,800 U.S. citizens to make billions for him and his buddie's, you know he's already sent more citizens to their death in Iraq.
So the lives of fellow citizens don't matter to jr's puppetmasters.

In fact, the neocons laid it out, what they planned to do, in a '99 document.
The paper stated missions and goal of the neocon's. On the top of thier list--invade Iraq.
The paper went on to state that the American people wouldn't support an invasion UNLESS there was (and I quote) a Pearl Harbor type event.
And what was the attacks on 9/11/01 compared to?

The invasion of Afganistan was planned BEFORE 9/11. We weren't after bin. The taliban offered to turn him over. jr. said "no deal".

 

actually, 3000 people were killed on 9-11 not only 1800.And that number may officially rise since there are hundreds of people still missing but their remains were probably disintergrated...apparently, there's some sort of lamo timeframe that a person has to go missing before they are declared legally dead.

And the troop death toll is almost 2000 in Iraq plus the dozens picked off in Afghanistan. so...5000+ have been killed the moment those planes hit the buildings.


Rat, I don't understand what you mean when you guffaw at the term "religious jihadis".

There are Islamic fundies who have declared a jihad on the western world.Apparently, you didn't get that memo.

The Americans and Brits are not the only people on Earth capable of evil and hate and declaring wars you know. If you sincerely believe that then you are simply suffering from a bad case of self-loathing,depression,and dellusionment; they have meds for that.

Like how some of you choose to live in this idea that the evol wites are just commiting genocide on the kind,sweet,peaceful,loving brown people...some of us live in reality.

Reality is,with or without 9-11, there is a formidable group of youngish,militants from the middle eastern countries who have a religious conviction so powerful that they are willing to die for it. They don't represent all Muslims, they don't represent all middle eastern people..but they exist and they are killing and dying for their cause.

This isn't some conspiracy against hippies or liberals or anti-USA people. It's being human and if you don't understand that then you need some crash courses in both human psychology and anthropology...maybe some world history.

Not everything is about you.

 

Yay! Rat's back!

So, come on rat, say it: say "I really truly believe all this conspiracy stuff". Just for the record.

 

I gotta tell ya. The first "report" read like fiction. I'm sorry, but I know cops, and AFAIK there is no "Code for a plane hitting a building" it just doesn't happen that often. Hell, maybe there is in NY, but not where I live. And this quote, "We were getting inundated with patients. We had more patients than we had ambulances/" There were FEW people injured badly on 9/11. I know two doctors who were going to volunteer to go there and they were turned away, people either got out with minor abrasions or NO injuries at all, or didn't get out at all. There were not "More patient's than ambulances." In fact ambulances were sitting around doing nothing for most of the day. Yes, there were a small number of badly burned people, mostly those who were in elevators, going past the floors that were hit at the moment the planes hit, but for the most part you got out OK, or you didn't get out at all.

This article was supposed to be from a lot of different people, but if you read it, it is ALL written in the same voice. As if the same person wrote all of it. ]

I think this is someone's impression of 9/11 after seeing some news reports.

JMO.

 

The Towers were DESIGNED to "pancake" if there was a catastrophic event. They were built in the middle of many buildings and they were DESIGNED to fall floor upon floor, like a stack of pancakes, to reduce damage to surrounding buidlings. This was KNOWN by most Americans who looked into it BEFORE 9/11. My dh and dd were there about one year to the day before, and my dh was telling me how the building was designed to do this. "Not that anything would happen, but just in case there was a bad fire or something. Or a bomb like in 93." he said.

The way the buildings fell says NOTHING about an evil plot within the Administration. Now I have no liking for the Bush admin, but c'mon.

As Otter so eloquently put it:

Well put, Otter, my girl. I would also like to add, maybe suggest a course in drafting and maybe architecture for our budding conspiracy theorists...

 

My favorite story is that the WTC 7 building was "pulled". Nobody can explain why exactly, but it definitely was! Yes a building nobody has heard of was "pulled" because two airplanes flying into the WTC towers and bringing them down live on camera was somehow not enough for the conspirators. So someone thought "yeah lets just have one more smaller, nondescript building collapse for no particular reason, that'll help invade iraq and steal the oil and set up a one world government". If you surveyed most people today they'd have no idea WTC 7 came down, hell most people forget about the Pentagon. But no, it was part of the Conspiracy (TM)!

 

hahahaha 'evil doers' that is a bit trite i admit..

And you are the most proficient at parroting whatever you hear spewed from conspiracy websites.. This is completly unfair, just i am the only one willing to say that it is a unfair thing to say.. Keep calling me a victim of the mainstream media and one of the many sheeple bah bah bahing his way through life..etc etc etc .. I will try my best to not give you the same kind of lame stereotypical bollocks back...deal ?.

 

The truth is out there-on the Web that is. Call them what you will: crazy, delusional, paranoid. Creators of conspiracy theory websites have another name for themselves, namely, defenders of the First Amendment.Just as all good lies must contain some truth in order to be believable, the best conspiracy theories are based on some percentage, however small, of historical fact. The exact size of that percentage is where the debate lies. For cynics, the most frustrating thing about conspiracy theories is that while they are difficult to prove, they are often equally difficult to disprove.logical principle of Occam's razor, which states that the simplest explanation for a problem is usually the correct one.

 

Think you can make a reply without villifying the poster?
They have medication for that you know.

What is your source that there were 3,000 killed in the WTC?

Christian & Jewish jihadists are responsible for more deaths lately than Islamic jihadists.


P.S. Your rascism is showing, referring to those in the middle east as "brown people".

 

I'm gonna go out on an ad hominem limb for a moment here and state that you are a douche. Seriously, you are.

Wanna know why?

Firstly, you are the only asshat on planet Earth who thinks the 9-11 death toll was only 1800...me thinks you confuse the numbers of 9-11 and the numbers of military troops. The troop death toll is closer to 1800+. I found some sources for the 9-11 death toll(not Fox News..so quit your rabies-induced frothing) while not exactly 3000..it bounces between 2500 and 3000 people and I don't even recall any of these sources including the causualties of flight 93....one might. So in the race of who's number is more correct..scratch one up for the Otter.*blows raspberries*

Secondly, I never said Rat needed medication. I stated that if he suffered from depression,self-loathing,and dellusionment resultant from so much hate against the USA(when he himself is a USAsian) as to believe and continuously batter-ram this idea that only Americans and Brits are evil warmongers...then he might need some meds. He may not actually feel this way. I may need meds..I'm on meds. Whether or not they are working is apparently debatable. Either way...fluckity fluck you.

Thirdly, only a douche didn't understand my quote about "teh evol wites commiting genocide on the kind,gentle,peaceful brown people". Maggie understood it. Most sane-thinking people understand that tongue-in-cheek humor..it being evident in the deliberate mispelling of evil whites.

Calling someone a racist for referring to anyone's skin color(they do exist..I'm a pasty white wench, my daughters are considered olive skinned, and their father is a toasty brown.) is seriously grasping at straws when your argument really ceases to exist in the realm of Earth logic.

So be a nice douche and go squeeze yourself.

 

oh...here's the sources..sorry.

http://www.newyorkmetro.com/news/articles/wtc/1year/numbers.htm
http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,5408932%5E401,00.html
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,7706368%5E1702,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_Terrorist_Attack
http://bragan.blogs.com/braganza/2004/10/bushs_lethal_le.html

 

Keep on hurling your schoolyard insults bushite. You're now on ignore.