Islam & Jesus (peace be upon him)

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  1. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Muslims respect and revere Jesus (peace be upon him). They consider him one of the greatest of God's messengers to mankind. The Qur'an confirms his virgin birth, and a chapter of the Qur'an is entitled 'Maryam'(Mary). The Qur'an describes the birth of Jesus as follows:



    '' (Remember) when the angels said: " O Mary, Verily, Allah gives you the glad tidings of a word from Him (God) [''Be!''- and he was! i.e. (Jesus the son of Mary] , whose name is the Messiah Isa Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and one of those who are near (to Allah). He will speak to the people in the cradle and in manhood, and he is of the righteous. "She said:" My Lord, how shall I have a son when no man has touched me?" He said: " So (it will be). For Allah creates what He wills. when He decreed something, He says to it only, 'Be!' and it is." (Qur'an, 3:45-47)



    Jesus was born miraculously by the command of God which had brought Adam into being without a father. God has said: "The case of Jesus with God is like the case of Adam. He created him from dust, and then He said to him, "Be!" and he came into being." (Qur'an, 3:59)



    During his prophetic mission, Jesus performed many miracles. God tells us that Jesus said: "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord. I make for you the shape of a bird out of clay., I breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God's permission. And I tell you what you eat and what you store in your houses …." (Qur'an, 3:49)



    Muslims believe that Jesus was not crucified. It was the plan of Jesus' enemies to crucify him, but God saved him and raised him up to Him. And the likeness of Jesus was put over another man. Jesus' enemies took this man and crucified him, thinking that he was Jesus. God has said:

    "… They said: "We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God." They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but the likeness of him was put on another man (and they killed that man)…" (Qur'an, 4:157)



    Neither Muhammad (peace be upon him and his populate) nor Jesus came to change the basic doctrine of the belief in one God, brought by earlier prophets, but rather to confirm and renew it.



    Yours Sincerely,

    Cat Stevens
     
  2. taoflipflower

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    Typical of the complete disregard for other peoples lives inherent within Islam. A dogma devoid of empathy.
     
  3. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Dear :

    RE: Typical of the complete disregard for other peoples lives inherent within Islam. A dogma devoid of empathy.

    The Clarification:

    "… They said: "We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God." They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but the likeness of him was put on another man (and they killed that man)" (Qur'an, 4:157)

    If you will read the verse: 158 from the same chapter (4):
    158: But Allah raised him (Jesus) up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he Jesus PBUH is in the heavens).
    So, the story in brief according to my knowledge:
    When Allah wanted to raise Jesus PBUH up to the heavens, he went to his disciples (the twelve disciples) and said: there is certainly among you he who will disbelieve in me twelve times, then he said: which one of you would put my likeness on him, and would killed instead of me and will be with me in my degree (grade) in paradise? A youngest (youthful disciple) among them stood up, Jesus said to him: set down, then he repeated what he had said, Again the same disciple stood up (three times) then Jesus said to him: you are that one. So the likeness of Jesus was put on him, and Jesus had risen up to the heavens.

    WoW. I am really admirer in that disciple and his sacrifice, I wish I will be like him strong and will meet him in the paradise, Allah willing :)
    Surely, Jesus PBUH is worthy to love and sacrifice strongly.
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  4. MollyBloom

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    Wow man, that sure is a crappy thing to say. I was excited to read catsteven's post on Jesus, considering that he/she was trying to share their reverence for Jesus within their Muslim beliefs.
     
  5. catstevens

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    RE: Wow man, that sure is a crappy thing to say.
    It's OK Molly, perhaps it was my mistake to don't clarify more, Any way I clarified it in #3 :)

    RE: I was excited to read catsteven's post on Jesus, considering that he/she was trying to share their reverence for Jesus within their Muslim beliefs.
    Exactly, thank you Molly for your good & kind intentions.
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  6. Phrensied Rabbits

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    If I'm remembering correctly, it was the betrayer.
    I feel bad for the guy.
    Insha'Allah (swt) he was forgiven...
     
  7. catstevens

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    RE: If I'm remembering correctly, it was the betrayer.

    Who was the betrayer? Do you mean '' there is certainly among you he who will disbelieve in me twelve times'' or '' A youngest (youthful disciple) among them stood up '' or you are talking about the guy who had led them to Jesus? Who according to the gospel had hanged himself? ((Judas!!)), because I think I didn't write anything about Judas here but you quoted the whole paragraph and commented on it, so who do you mean? By correctly?

    And if you meant (Judas?) so did you feel bad for Jesus too? Or rather for the disciple who sacrificed his self? It is up to you, but put your self in his place will you feel bad for Judas who led them to you and you had crucified in that way? Put your self in his place will you feel bad for Judas who was hypocrite (two-faced) making him self a good person just in front of you? Do you feel bad for (two-faced) people?

    Jesus doesn't deserve the betrayal, perhaps you don't know a lot about him, a man whom has a heart which can contain all Allah's creature. Jesus is Jesus PBUH.
    I read in Matthew26:20:
    When evening came, Jesus was reclining at the table with the Twelve.21: And while they were eating , he said'' I tell you the truth, one of you will betray me'' 22: they were very sad and began to say to him one after the Other'' Surely not I,…?23: Jesus replied . The one who has dipped his hand into the bowl with me will betray me.24: The son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the son of man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.25: then Judas the one who would betray him, said: Surely not I, Rabbi? Jesus answered: yes, it is you?

    If what I quoted was right? Wasn't that a miracle? He said something will happen in the future? Which means he is a real prophet? That was one miracle but how about the other miracles which it is seems surely that Judas had seen them because he was one of the twelve disciple which mean so close to Jesus PBUH? Jesus warned him directly? but he didn't care and betrayed him? Wasn't Jesus can give the life to the dead people? Who can do that except God's prophet? Wasn't that a clear evidence? Wasn't Jesus came to dock the love between people? And Judas led them to the loveman? He led them to GOD"S PROPHET? NOT TO A CASUAL PERSON? IF JUDAS LED THEM TO JESUS THE GOD'S PROPHET WHAT DO YOU EXCEPT FROM A MAN LIKE HIM? What more do you want from Jesus? Wasn't that (the warning) the utter mercy? He was sitting with Jesus and Jesus knew that he will betray him although Jesus PBUH was kind and nice to him? Because Jesus is Jesus! He betrayed him for thirty dirty silver coinsè (matthew26:14-16)? Sham on Judas Sham. What does Judas want more to believe Jesus without an atom of doubt? Which kind of proofs? Or he wants to see this proof the proof of his betrayal, is it true or what? A proof which will appear after his death after the betrayal? What is the use after that? What is the use after his betrayal? Jesus PBUH his morals , his miracle to heal the sickness, his miracle to give life to dead people is enough to me to prove that he was a Prophet is enough. Mark: 10:32: they were on their way up to Jerusalem. With Jesus leading the way and the disciples were astonished, while those who followed were afraid. Again he took the twelve aside and told them what was going to happen to him.33: we are going up to Jerusalem. He said: and the son of man will be betrayed to the chief priests and teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will hand him over to Gentiles.34: who will mock him and spit on him, flog him and kill him. ç doesn't that make you cry? :(, read more about Jesus you won't only love him you will love him to death.


    Any way the point in my response # 3 is to clarify that Jesus didn't crucify.
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  8. Phrensied Rabbits

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    No, I mean I heard a lecture that included that story with the disciple who assumes the appearance of Jesus (pbuh) being Judas. I'm not sure if it was a trusted source, but I doubt very much if the account would even have gone into that much detail had it not been witnessed by at least a few disciples...
    That's as much as I know, just an interesting account of the events. Somewhere on Gawaher.com is a lecture download link to it. Unfortunately, I erased my harddrive so I can't say which one.
     
  9. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    RE: No, I mean I heard a lecture that included that story with the disciple who assumes the appearance of Jesus (pbuh) being Judas. I'm not sure if it was a trusted source, but I doubt very much if the account would even have gone into that much detail had it not been witnessed by at least a few disciples...
    Me too I read that too , but the story that I posted in # 3 it is a Sahih hadeeth as I read. Any way the point is that Jesus PBUH didn't crucified. I am wondering if you are Moslem and can speak or read Arabic.
    My best wishes :)
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  10. Phrensied Rabbits

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    Answer 1: Whenever I can Be
    Answer 2: The nearest masjid is a couple hour drive and my mother and stepfather took away my license so I couldn't go. I've considered trying to learn online, printing lessons and studying them at night, but I'm not sure why I haven't started yet.

    Salaam Aleikum, Mr. Cat. I couldn't even remember the word Hadith...
     
  11. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Whenever I ask you questions you don't have to answer them if you don't want. And if I am meddling tell me to shut up my big mouth:)

    RE: Answer 2: The nearest masjid is a couple hour drive and my mother and stepfather took away my license so I couldn't go.
    I hope that they didn't take your license away to don't let you go to the masjid :( sorry if I am middling.

    RE: I've considered trying to learn online, printing lessons and studying them at night, but I'm not sure why I haven't started yet.
    My deepest best wishes, I ask Allah to grant you all succeed in your whole life. Although I am not a scholar but a casual Moslem, but whenever you need any help questions, clarifications.. etc, be free to ask, you are more than welcome, (but I'm not sure why I haven't started yet) what exactly, you said (studying them at night)you are already studying so what you haven't started yet? What's that?

    RE: Salaam Aleikum, Mr. Cat. I couldn't even remember the word Hadith...
    Wa Alikum Asalam Wa Rahmatu Allahi Wabarakatu Dear Phrensied Rabbits
    Hadith, Hadeeth

    The sunnah (what the Prophet Muhammad said, did, or approved of) is the second sacred source in Islam. The sunnah is comprised of hadeeths, which are reliably transmitted reports by the Prophet Muhammad's companions of what he said, did, or approved of. Belief in the sunnah is a basic Islamic belief.
    Examples of the Prophet Muhammad's Sayings
    {God does not judge you according to your appearance and your wealth, but He looks at your hearts and looks into your deeds.}

    {None of you believes (completely) until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself.}

    {Smiling at your brother is charity...}
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  12. Phrensied Rabbits

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    See? hehe... Can't even spell the right word ^_^
    You are very kind to offer your assistance.
    I met a very nice Moroccan online a little over a year ago who helped me to revert, but I still have a lot of trouble. I simply don't know enough :) Although, that's always the problem, isn't it? It's impossible to ever know enough ^_^
    See, I don't even have a paper copy of the Qur'an :( I can't perform the prayer rituals properly and I can't read Arabic... majour failure on my part, eh?
    Bummer :(
     
  13. catstevens

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    RE: See? hehe... Can't even spell the right word ^_^
    :), no it isn't like that, you know that Hadeeth is an Arabic wordè (ÍÏíË ) which I don't sure how should I spell it in English, Hadeeth is written as you pronounce it in Arabic .
    Check your private messages inbox.
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  14. taoflipflower

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    RE: catstevens' clarification.

    Yes, that did clear it up a bit.

    It's one thing to randomly sacrifice some poor individual in the name of some deity you worship. It's another if that person gladly gives their life for what they believe in.

    I retract my rather abbrasive statement.



    ...
    one thing I can't help having though is a bad aftertaste.
    in islam there does seem to be a rather backward attitude to human rights. less value placed on individual human lives. or maybe it's just the culture that islam is mostly amongst. arabian...
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  15. catstevens

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    :) Good that you came back and read the clarification. I was waiting you.



    I don't know what that thing you are talking about , but I want to say that never judge Islam according to Moslems deeds, you should make sure firstly if their deeds agree with Islamic teachings or not. Not just Islam all other religions never judge it according to its follower's deeds. And if you want to talk more about it you are more than welcome by private messages, to avoid taking off the topic.
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
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