The President lied to start war

He asked me for documentation of my claim, so I provided it.

What is your problem?

 

your "documentation" does not take guns into account, or ammunition:

"SIPRI covers only what it terms as major conventional weapons, defined as:

1. Aircraft: all fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters, including unmanned reconnaissance/surveillance aircraft, with the exception of micro-light aircraft, powered and unpowered gliders and target drones.

2. Armoured vehicles: all vehicles with integral armour protection, including all types of tank, tank destroyer, armoured car, armoured personnel carrier, armoured support vehicle and infantry fighting vehicle.

3. Artillery: naval, fixed, self-propelled and towed guns, howitzers, multiple rocket launchers and mortars, with a calibre equal to or above 100-mm.

4. Radar systems: all land-, aircraft- and ship-based surveillance and fire-control radars, with the exception of navigation, weather and range-only radars. In cases where the radar is fitted on a platform (vehicle, aircraft or ship), the register only notes those radars that come from a different supplier than the supplier of the platform.



5. Missiles: all powered, guided missiles with conventional warheads. Unguided rockets, guided but unpowered shells and bombs, free-fall aerial munitions, anti-submarine rockets, target drones and torpedoes are excluded.

6. Ships: all ships with a standard tonnage of 100 tonnes or more, and all ships armed with artillery of 100-mm calibre or more, torpedoes or guided missiles, with the exception of survey ships, tugs and some transport ships.The statistics presented refer to transfers of weapons in these six categories only. Transfers of other military equipment such as small arms/light weapons, trucks, artillery under 100-mm calibre, ammunition, support equipment and components, as well as services or technology transfers are not included."

http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/atmethods.html

any more? i can tell you were hoping i was the type not to even check your facts.

 

So either we sell Sadaam the chemical weapons themselves, or the materials to make them, what's the difference?

I know it's been a few weeks but I saw this now so...

 

I thought it was about Al Qaeda. No one, not even the Bush administration, truly believed that WMD's would be found in Iraq. The U.N. inspectors were expelled in '98. So the Iraqi's had 5 years to move whatever chemical weapons they did have. So why invade Iraq? U.S. bases in Western Europe were being shut down, with U.S. troops redeployed to CONUS. After 9/11, it was assumed (rightly so) that the main threat existed in the Middle East. U.S. forces were even pulling out of Saudi Arabia. What to do, what to do? Ah, EUREKA!!! IRAQ!!! We can take 'em in a few weeks with minimal casualties. Send over a couple hundred thousand troops, build bases, set up supply lines, and we can keep them there for years! It can serve as a staging point for operations throughout the Middle East! Who's next? Well, what country lies between Iraq and Afghanistan? Iran! We can hit 'em from two directions! We didn't go into Iraq for WMD's, or oil, or terrorists. For a semi-permanent staging base. That's just my opinion, of course, take it for what it's worth.

 

Of course - he's Magog - trust nothing he says...

 

"Magog". Interesting word. I love it. Sounds kind of like "magoo", which is sooooo fitting!

 

Ohh.. But Balbus...the president and his people CONSPIRED to lie their way into an unjust war....You believe that? That is a CONSPIRACY THEORY Balbus, oh and you also believe the gulf of tonkin was a lie....that is also a CONSPIRACY THEORY....now balbus I have to ask, what should WE DO? WHAT SHOULD WE DO?? BLAH BLAH BLAH, this is your response to ANYONE who posts a "conspiracy theory" so I have to reply to you with it, now you know how it feels to not be able to express your opinion without being attacked.

 

Oh Angel

This would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

It is accepted by most historians that the events in the Tonkin Bay do not match those set out by the Johnson administration, and that some if not more of the people in that admin new at the time or soon after that it was misinformation.
In my opinion some if not more people in the Bush admin knew that the twin towers attack had nothing to do with Iraq and the WMD reason for war was nothing more than an excuse with little or no substance. Again in my opinion in twenty years time that will be the accepted view of most historians.

However I do not believe that the major players in the Johnson and Bush admins are members of the illuminati or puppets of a secret shadow government of Jewish bankers.

There is a difference between history and historical conjecture based in reality and the paranoid ramblings of conspiracy theorists who claim to know the ‘truth’ about generation spanning conspiracies that are behind every major (and many minor) events in history.

One is reasonable and rational the other is not.

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As to what we should do.

Well the US is a democracy, a flawed democracy for sure, but it still has a functioning representative process. Which means the people have the ability to change the system and improve it.

I do believe that wealthy institutions and individuals have to much influence (both in the UK and even more in the US) but I work toward thwarting that influence through the use of the democratic power of the people.

I do not believe that all the major political parties and institutions in the world are under the control of a world wide shadow government and generation spanning conspiracy of illuminati or Jewish bankers. Nor do I believe that this conspiracy invented some types of political philosophy in order to control not only the right but also the left.

That is why I ask what conspiracy theorist what us to do, if you people believe that this all powerful conspiracy has firm control over all political systems and would have the ability to corrupt and take over any organisation set up to counter it, so just what are people meant to do?

All I can say is that if any of you has a sensible and rational idea you seem very reluctant to talk about it. What is worse is that many of the conspiracy theorists seem to believe in political policies that would give a lot more power and influence to the very wealthy forces that are to me the greatest source of real danger to a better quality of live for all within our societies.