Facts About Jews for Jesus (my comments in purple)

This is not about Judaism or Christianity, but a cross between both.

Yes, shoe's on the other foot.

 

Sorry Saphardic, but I've got my oppinions too:

A Summary of Why Jews Should not be Christians
By Keith Kothe
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Jesus said the most important commandment is "Hear O'Israel, The L-rd is G-d, The L-rd is One. Christianity says G-d is three.
In the Tankh the word 'elohim' was used in the creation story...why us?

Elohim means ruler or judge and can also refer to human rulers and human judges and the us in Genesis is G-d talking with his angels

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The Torah says the messiah will gather the dispersed of Israel, Jesus failed to cause the dispersed to be regathered, in fact shortly later Israel was destroyed.
Read Revelation.


Jews don't care what the christian greek bible says

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Torah says the messiah will Rebuild the Temple, Jesus proving that he was not the messiah said the Temple would be ground to dust saying not one stone would be left upon another, it was destroyed, however Jesus also failed as a prophet, the western wall still stands to this day. [G. Haas note: not only is the western wall still standing, so are many other sections of the wall around the Temple Mount, so are the steps leading up to the main entrance, so are many other structures such as arches that once supported walkways]
He did rebuild the temple, do you know where it is?

[color-blue]This is about a PHYSICAL TEMPLE not spiritual crap that christians talked about the temple is still in ruins[/color]

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Torah says the messiah will bring Peace to all mankind. Jesus said that I come to bring a sword, each man shall hate his mother and father. Jesus statements are contrary to Torah and Judaism.
Once again,
Revelation.

I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE CHRISTIAN ANTI-JEWISH BIBLE

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Jesus said the "Pharisees and the scribes, (persons who interpret and teach the Oral Torah) sit in the seat of Moses, follow them and do all they say." Paul says forget that, forget circumcision, forget kosher, forget everything that Jesus did and said to do, now the law is done away with.

He didn't say forget Jesus. But Paul was referring to the Gentiles, he didn't say this to the Jews..

Paul is a lying SOB /color]
Paul, in his zealot exaltation, admits and justifies, on Jesuitical principles, the preaching of falsehood, and feels really aggrieved that honest men should take exceptions to such mendacious propaganda:

"For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?" (Rom. 3.7)

In a spirit of good-humored naiveté he winks at the flock of Corinthians whom he has hooked into the fold, and admits that he had tricked them:

"Though the more abundantly I love you, the less I be loved. But be it so: ... nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile." (2 Cor. 12.15-16)

As a "man that striveth for the mastery" (1 Cor. 9.25), Paul expounds to the church leaders the modus operandi of the successful propagandist:

"I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, that I might gain them that are without law. ... I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. And this I do for the gospel's sake" (1 Cor. 9.19-23).

And he admits to the church of Corinth: "I robbed other churches ... to do you service" (2 Cor. 11.8).



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The Sabbath is the seventh day of the week, Christians say it is the First day of the week, following the pagan customs of the Romans.

hmmm...a week set-up in Germany:

Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thurseday,Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

And in America:

Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,Thursday, Friday, Satuday
So which one's right?

Sundays is used to be a day which sun gods are worshipped by pre-christian pagans

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Torah says do not follow strange gods that your fathers did not know. The new testament says that Jesus is a god.
Jesus IS God. Not 'a' God.

then how did he die on a cross if he is G-d?

"For I lift up my hand to heaven and say, as I live forever!" Deuteronomy 32:40. "Have you not known? Have you not heard that the EVERLASTING GOD YHVH, the Creator of the ends of the earth, faints not nor is He weary!?" Isaiah 40:25.

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Torah says you shall have no other gods beside me. The NT says that Jesus (a god) sits at the right hand of the father. Then there is this holy ghost thing that is also a god.
They're one god. And there's ONLY ONE god. And That's G-d of the Tanakh.So you say an egg isn't an egg?

one does not equal to three

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Human sacrifice is totally against Torah. Further G-d said I am tired of the blood of bulls and goats, I want the sacrifice of the fruit of your lips.
So...what about Yeshaiya's prophecy concerning this? Was it all wrong? Was Yeshaiya a false prophet?


yes he is a false prophet

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The representation of eating blood and flesh of a human as in the communion act is the very essence of a pagan ritual. Totally repulsive to Torah.
That wasn't to be taken literal...

blood drinking in worship literal or otherwise comes from ancient pagan religions http://www.jdstone.org/cr/pages/s_mytho.html

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According to Torah the blood sacrifice for sin can only be a goat or a FEMALE lamb. That sacrifice can only pay for unintentional sin, committed by accident. The only means of forgiveness for all other sin if for the person who committed the sin to do Teshuva, to repent and do what is right.
Leviticus 6:24-7:1

Also the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 25 "Speak to Aaron and to his sons, saying, 'This is the law of the sin offering: In the place where the burnt offering is killed, the sin offering shall be killed before the LORD. It is most holy. 26 The priest who offers it for sin shall eat it. In a holy place it shall be eaten, in the court of the tabernacle of meeting. 27 Everyone who touches its flesh must be holy. And when its blood is sprinkled on any garment, you shall wash that on which it was sprinkled, in a holy place. 28 But the earthen vessel in which it is boiled shall be broken. And if it is boiled in a bronze pot, it shall be both scoured and rinsed in water. 29 All the males among the priests may eat it. It is most holy. 30 But no sin offering from which any of the blood is brought into the tabernacle of meeting, to make atonement in the holy place, shall be eaten. It shall be burned in the fire.

I guess there IS such a thing as a sin offering...


Jewish means of Atonement

Old Testament means of Atonement for sins

1. Incense

"And Moses said unto Aaron, 'Take a censer, and put fire therein from off the altar,
and put on incense, and go quickly unto the congregation, and make an atonement for them:
for there is wrath gone out from [YHWH]; the plague is begun.' And Aaron took
as Moses commanded, and ran into the midst of the congregation; and, behold, the plague
was begun among the people: and he put on incense, and made an atonement for the people." (Numbers 16:46-47)

2. Money

"The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when
they give an offering unto [YHWH], to make an atonement for your souls. And thou shalt
take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shalt appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before [YHWH], to make an atonement for your souls." (Exodus 30:15-16)

3. Property/Goods

"We have therefore brought an oblationfor [YHWH], what every man hath gotten, of
jewels of gold, chains, and bracelets, rings, earrings, and tablets, to make an atonement
for our souls before [YHWH]." Numbers 31:50)

4. Blood for unintentional sins

"And [YHWH] spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a
soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of [YHWH] concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them: If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he
hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto [YHWH] for a sin offering.
5. Blood-if bullock or lamb not affordable (unintentional sins)

"And if he be not able to bring a lamb, then he shall bring for his trespass, which he hath committed, two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, unto [YHWH]; one for a sin offering,
and the other for a burnt offering." (Leviticus 5:7)

6. Flour-if turtledoves or pigeons not affordable (unintentional sins)

"But if his means are insufficient for two turtledoves or two young pigeons, then for his offering for that which he has sinned, he shall bring the tenth of an ephahof fine flour for
a sin offering; he shall not put oil on it or place incense on it, for it is a sin offering." (Leviticus 5:11)

What if there was no Temple or Priesthood

7. Prayer
Solomon addresses the subject of the Israelite people being denied access to the temple
in his dedication speech.
"If they return to You with all their heart and with all their soul in the land of their enemies who have taken them captive, and pray to You toward their land which You have given to their fathers, the city which You have chosen, and the house which I have built for Your
name; then hear their prayer and their supplication in heaven Your dwelling place, and maintain their cause, and forgive Your people who have sinned against You and all their transgressions which they have transgressed against You..." (I Kings 8:46-50)

More Prayer

"And if My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray, and seek
My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their
sin, and will heal their land." (II Chronicles 7:14).

"And listen to the supplications of Your servant and of Your people Israel, when they
pray toward this place; hear from heaven Your dwelling place, hear and forgive." (II Chronicles 6:21)

8. Nothing-Just because God is merciful (my favourite)

"You have not brought Me sheep of your burnt offerings...or the fat of your sacrifices,
but you have burdened Me with your sins...Nevertheless, I will wipe out your
transgressions for My name sake, and I will not remember your sins." (Isaiah 43:23-25)

9. Turning from evil ways

"That every man will turn from his evil way, then I will forgive their iniquity and their
sin." (Jeremiah 36:3)

"Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts, and let him return to [YHWH], and He will have compassion on him; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon." (Isaiah 55:7)

Remember the story of Jonah? He was sent to the evil city of Nineveh to warn them of
their impending destruction. Jonah does not come into the city and tell the people that
unless they begin offering sacrifices they are doomed. No! He warns them to repent.
Their response to his warnings is: they fast, pray, and turn from their evil. What is our CREATOR's response to their repentance?

"When God saw their deeds that they turned from their wicked way, then God relented concerning the calamity which He had declared He would bring upon them, and He did
not do it." (Jonah 3:10).

How did Daniel advise king Nebuchadnezzar to atone for his sins?
"Therefore, O king, may my advice be pleasing to you: Redeem your sins by doing righteousness, and your iniquities by showing mercy to the poor." (Daniel 4:27).

Neither Ninevah or Nebuchadnezzar were part of Israel, Ninevah was the capital of
Assyria and Nebuchadnezzar was the King of Babylon.

After the ten northern tribes split away from Judah, a civil war prevented most of Israel
from Temple worship. The prophet Hosea addressed this situation and instructed the people accordingly:
"Return, O Israel, to [YHWH] your God, For you have stumbled because of your iniquity. Take words with you and return to [YHWH]. Say to Him, 'Take away all iniquity, and
receive us graciously, for we will render as bullocks the offerings of our lips'." (Hosea 14:1-2)

Incense, Flour, Prayer, Repentance, Money, Goods & Gods Mercy have nothing to do with blood yet were all acceptable to God to atone for sins.




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G-d said I make an eternal covenant with Israel, the NT says that covenant is past we now have a new covenant
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Guess Yirmeyah was a false prophet too...


He is a false prophet none of his prophecies came true

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Christianity departed from all of G-ds festivals, the ones that even Jesus kept, and instead incorporated a host of pagan festivals with pagan rituals such as A supernatural Elf that brings gifts, Yule logs, Christmas trees, Bunny Rabbits, and Eggs etc.
There are more denominations of Christianity than Catholiscism.
Which is half-pagan, because Constantine wanted to get Pagans in.

the belief that a man born of a virgin and have a god as a father who died for your sins is pagan. Christianity is pagan

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G-d is not a Man, else he would lie. Neither is G-d a Son of Man, else he would change his mind - Numbers 23:19

G-d in the Flesh was man. But G-d himself is not man. Y'shua was 100% not man, and 100% man.


you cannot be both G-d and Man that is impossible ancient kings call themselves gods Jesus was not no different and take your crap to the Christianity forum

 

So we're made in the image of angels.

Well, you're quoting everything else.

Here's a thing you may need to know of: There will be a rebuilt of the temple (where a mosque is on now), in the really close future, probably within the next 7 years, and the guy will try to unite the World. He will be a powerful ruler and have Israel sign a peace treaty. He'll claim to be your Messiah, but he's a false Messiah. Just so you know. He'll be the antichrist. So if you see these signs remember that he's not Messiah.

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Torah says the messiah will bring Peace to all mankind. Jesus said that I come to bring a sword, each man shall hate his mother and father. Jesus statements are contrary to Torah and Judaism.
Once again,
Revelation.

Mashal 4:24
24 Put away from you a deceitful mouth ,
And put perverse lips far from you.

^ ever read that verse?

Wow, good quotes.

I think this refers more to the seven days thing. ^^;

Oh, Jesus is very alive. He died...and rose again! ^^
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Torah says you shall have no other gods beside me. The NT says that Jesus (a god) sits at the right hand of the father. Then there is this holy ghost thing that is also a god.
They're one god. And there's ONLY ONE god. And That's G-d of the Tanakh.So you say an egg isn't an egg?

So yes, you are saying an egg isn't an egg....
And we're not humans either, right? I mean...we've got a flesh, a soul, and
a spirit... so how can we still be one creature?

If he was a false prophet, why do you quote him? I said Yeshaiya, not Yeshua. Yeshaiya: Isaiah.

So you're saying Isaiah's a false prophet?

Jesus was a Jew.

Good post.

Then why do you quote him as well? :
You put:
"That every man will turn from his evil way, then I will forgive their iniquity and their
sin." (Jeremiah 36:3)

So that cannot be concidered valid.

No BC religion I know of teaches that.


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G-d is not a Man, else he would lie. Neither is G-d a Son of Man, else he would change his mind - Numbers 23:19

G-d in the Flesh was man. But G-d himself is not man. Y'shua was 100% not man, and 100% man.


you cannot be both G-d and Man that is impossible ancient kings call themselves gods Jesus was not no different and take your crap to the Christianity forum[/QUOTE]
I'm just answering the Thread! I see you're very nice!

It's a tough cocept, but one needs to understand the whole thing first. Before making such claims.

 

Exactly!

 

Ummm...how is pointing out the facts about Judaism being hateful toward Xtians?

 

Can you just lock this thread? Since no one will just accept that we're different religions and different religions have different rules and additudes, there's no way this will be settled civilly.

 

I was specifically talking to my fellow veggie DrumminMama (sp? sorry *is stupid*).

 

If you go to Moishe Rosen's official site, you'll see that he's a disgusting, fat pig who sits in a wheel chair though he's 11 years younger than my father. His group sucked my friend in who now has no contact with his family or friends. He works 14 hours a day for JFJ so this pig can sit around in a wheelchair with glutton-induced diabetes. If praying to Jesus can help anyone, surely it'd help this loser. Surely jesus could help him stop eating like a hog and walk again! Check out his site. When I think of my friend working 14 hours a day for this pig, i could scream. I only hope he escapes from their grip someday.