hare krishna

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  1. ChiefCowpie

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    IRM maintain that it is sufficient to read SP's books and hear his tapes, but the direct meaning of SP's own statements nullifies this idea. IRM point out that SP often gave initiation through representatives or by tape. This is true, but SP does not give this in his books as a procedure that we should follow. We have to accept the direct meaning of his statements to find out the process that is meant for us.

    SP describes other aspects of the guru-disciple relationship that absolutely require the physical presence of the guru. The spiritual master has to give the disciple personal instructions and guidance regarding service, according to the disciple's individual situation and stage of life.25 The spiritual master also has to be expert in engaging different devotees according to their propensities.26 "Every one of us has got a certain amount of good energy derived from Krishna, and when that energy is employed under the expert direction of Spiritual Master, one's life becomes successful. That is the secret of Krishna Consciousness."27 Mantras are to be heard directly in the ear from the spiritual master, which also requires his physical presence.28 It is true that SP gave initiation through tape recordings, but he never describes this process in his books. SP could use tape recorders when he was physically present, but that does not mean that we can use his tapes to the same effect when he is physically absent. SP was empowered to adjust the process for practical purposes when he was present, but he never says in his books (or even in the "henceforward" letter) that we can adjust the process that he has given in his books.

    The guru has to chastise the disciple, because we cannot see the material attachments that we have to give up. "If we actually want detachment from this material world, we should be prepared to accept such cutting words from the spiritual master. Compromise and flattery have no effect where strong words are required."29 This is the natural position of the teacher,30 and it requires his physical presence and physical communication.

    IRM points out that many of SP's disciples had little if any direct contact with him. This is true, but they were supposed to get guidance from disciples who had more association, so in any case, the principle of association was being followed. SP was physically present, and devotees were supposed to cooperate with their authorities, who were supposed to get direct guidance from SP.

    IRM, in a reply to my first article, wrote, "When trying to understand an instruction one will naturally consider the purpose behind it." Now, what is the intention behind all these statements that Srila Prabhupada has made? It is clearly that the disciple should have the physical association of the guru.

    SP instructed us that we should take the direct meaning of sastric statements, and reject indirect interpretations. IRM have tried to justify their interpretation of the "henceforward" letter by "proving" that there is no need for a guru who is physically present. However, their attempt depends on indirect interpretations throughout. Hence, according to SP's instructions, it should be rejected.

    IRM themselves are living proof that their manufactured process does not work. They are using a process that is fundamentally flawed to try to justify an original thesis (their interpretation of the "henceforward" letter) that is fundamentally flawed. Naturally, then, every step of their argument is also flawed, as we will show. Their "logic of the final order" is invalid, and their conclusions about diksa show that they are clueless about the Gaudiya process for passing on the essence of our sampradaya. All this can only be rectified by sadhu-sanga, but IRM are unwilling to accept either sadhu-sanga, or the conclusion that it is necessary. The cause of IRM's confused conclusions is that they have dispensed with the association of living bhagavatas.

    My next paper will point out IRM's spectacular misunderstanding of the diksa process.

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    1 [Dialectical spiritualism: Carl Jung]; Bg 2.7, purport; Bg 4.34, purport; and dozens of other references 2 FO, p.67 3 [Bg 4.34, purport] 4 [C.C. Antya 7.53, purport] 5 [C.C. SB 2.1.8, purport] 6 [Lecture: Los Angeles, July 1, 1971] [Lecture: New York, July 11, 1976] 7 [TLK Vs 4] 8 MoG 1 9 [SB 4.29.39-40, purport] [BBD 3: Liberation from Material Planets] [SB 4.20.25, purport] [SB 7.5.23-24, purport] 10 [Bg 15.19, purport] 11 [SB .1.5, purport] See also [ Lecture: San Diego, July 1, 1972] 12 [Lecture: October 26, 1966] 13 [SB 3.6.17, purport] [SB 3.26.32, purport] [C.C. Adi 13.123, purport] [Lecture: Bombay, April 12, 1974] [Lecture: Los Angeles, June 17, 1972] [Lecture: Manila, October 12, 1972] 14 [SB 1.2.32, purport] 15 [SB 3.22.7, purport] 16 SB 1.2.19, purport; Antya 5.131, purport; Lectures in Miami, February 27, 1975; Los Angeles, December 28, 1973; Los Angeles, June 20, 1972; Vrndavana, October 28, 1972; Miami, February 27, 1975; and many, many more 17[Lecture: Caracas, February 22, 1975] 18[Lecture: Rome, May 27, 1974] [ Lecture: Los Angeles, December 6, 1973] [Lecture: Chicago, July 8, 1975] 19[Lecture: Rome, May 27, 1974] 20[Room Conversation -- October 5, 1975, Mauritius] 21[Lecture: Vrndavana, August 10, 1974] [Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 7.4 -- Vrndavana, August 10, 1974] [Dialectical Spirituality: Thomas Aquinas] [Conversation: October 20, 1968, Seattle] 22 Adi 7.119, purport 23 [Room Conversation -- London, August 10, 1971] 24 [Lecture: Gorakhpur, February 14, 1971] 25 [S.B. 1.2.24? purport] 26 CC Adi 1.35, purport; Conversation: September 21, 1973, Bombay; Letter to Sivananda: 11th November, 1968 27 Letter to Nathan Baruch: 7 August, 1968 28 [SB 4.8.54, purport] 29 [Perfection of Yoga] 30 [TLK Vs 28] BG 2.11, purport;
     
  2. BlackBillBlake

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    I am not attacking you personally at all. I am just concerned that others may suffer the same fate as freinds of mine who were involved with bogus gurus in the past.
    As for chief cowpie's posts - they are so long I doubt many will bother to wade through them.
     
  3. ChiefCowpie

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    maybe lots of folks won't read it but i do hope that if one is gonna look into ritvik vada for diksa, they should be aware that its nonsadhu, nonsastra and nonguru

    there are lots of nice...great sadhus out there to guide one in one's spiritual life and yes as sleeping jiva writes, just chant Hare Krishna and one will find one's teacher...but too, to chant Hare Krishna means to do so sincerely and without offense
     
  4. sleeping jiva

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    as it is to take instructions from a non-devotee as Chief CowPie is. Prabhupada gave very clear instructions, if those guys don't accept him, how come they speculate about his words? We know what happened, when this instruction was not carried: rapes, drugs, problems with law. Judge by the results, not by dry speculations.
     
  5. Rama Nityananda dasa

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    There's an old saying that a priest used to tell me when ever I started freaking out about Vaisnava politics and guru wars...

    "KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID!"

    Chant, JUST DO IT!!
     
  6. ChiefCowpie

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    we also have to explore the nature of Krishna and his being a convicted butter thief
     
  7. sleeping jiva

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    We are not God. If we were God, how come we have all this material desires? God is absolute and devoid of ignorance. Do you know past, present, future? then you're not God. Every Krishna's deed is transcendental, please don't put Krishna down by presenting him as an ordinary being. Chant ChiefCowPie, that is way more beneficial than speculations.
     
  8. ChiefCowpie

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    ummm.... or should i say ommmmm.... where did i say Krishna was an ordinary being...or whatever led you to conclude that? i did say he was a butter thief and hence he is affectionately out of a sense of deep convictions known by his devotees as Gopala or the Butter Thief

    sleeping jiva, although we have different understandings of guru tattva, let's put these understandings aside and as others have encouraged, talk about Krishna

    have a haribol day, ys Chief
     
  9. Rama Nityananda dasa

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    THE 108 NAMES OF LORD KRSNA




    THE 108 NAMES OF LORD KRSNA:
    1. om sri-krsnaya namah Om! Obeisance to the all-attractive Shri Krishna.
    2. om kamala-nathaya namah the Lord of LakSmI, KamalA.
    3. om vasudevaya namah the all-pervading Lord.
    4. om sanatanaya namah the eternal Lord.
    5. om vasudevatmajaya namah the son of Vasudeva.
    6. om punyaya namah who is consummate piety.
    7. om lila-manusa-vigrahaya namah who enacts. pastimes of humanlike form.
    8. om srivatsa-kaustubha-dharaya namah bearer of ShrIvatsa and kaustubha.
    9. om yasoda-vatsalaya namah the object of YazodA's maternal affections.
    10. om haraye namah Hari, who takes away.
    11. om caturbhujatta-cakrasi-gada-sankhambujayudhaya namah in whose four hands are the wheel, club, conch, and lotus weapons.
    12. om devaki-nandanaya namah delight/son of DevakI.
    13. om srisaya namah Lord of ZrI (LakSmI).
    14. om nanda-gopa-priyatmajaya namah dear son of the cowherd Nanda.
    15. om yamuna-vega-samharine namah who checked the flow of the YamunA.
    16. om balabhadra-priyanujaya namah dear younger brother of Balabhadra.
    17. om putana-jivita-haraya namah who tookm the life of PUtanA.
    18. om sakatasura-bhanjanaya namah who decimated the cart demon (ZakaTAsura) .
    19. om nanda-vraja-jananandine namah delighter of Nanda & the other people of Vraja.
    20. om sac-cid-ananda-vigrahaya namah whose body is being, cognizance, and bliss.
    21. om navanita-viliptangaya namah whose limbs are smeared with fresh butter.
    22. om navanita-nataya namah who dances for butter.
    23. om anaghaya namah about whom nothing is impure or repulsive.
    24. om navanita-navaharaya namah whose first food was fresh butter.
    25. om mucukunda-prasadakaya namah who graced Mucukunda.
    26. om sodasa-stri-sahasresaya namah Lord of 16,000 women
    27. om tribhangi-madhurakrtaye namah the sweet, threefold-bending form.
    28. om suka-vag-amrtabdhindave namah the moon (produced out of) of the nectar-ocean of Zukadeva GosvAmi's words.
    29. om govindaya namah who pleases His cows, land & senses.
    30. om yoginam pataye namah Lord of the yogIs.
    31. om vatsa-palana-sancarine namah who goes about caring for calves.
    32. om anantaya namah the unlimited.
    33. om dhenukasura-mardanaya namah who beat up the ass-demon DhenukAsura.
    34. om trni-krta-trnavartaya namah who made short work of the whirlwind TRNAvarta.
    35. om yamalarjuna-bhajanaya namah who broke the two Arjuna trees.
    36. om uttala-tala-bhetre namah who broke all the big, tAla trees (killing Dhenuka).
    37. om tamala-syamalakrtaye namah who is blackish like a TamAla tree.
    38. om gopa-gopisvaraya namah Lord of the gopas and gopIs.
    39. om yogine namah the YogI.
    40. om koti-surya-sama-prabhaya namah bright as millions of suns.
    41. om ilapataye namah Lord of IlA, the earth.
    42. om parasmai jyotise namah the Supreme light.
    43. om yadavendraya namah king of the Yadu clan.
    44. om yadu-dvahaya namah the preeminent leader of the Yadus.
    45. om vanamaline namah wearing a garland of forest flowers.
    46. om pita-vasase namah wearing yellow garments.
    47. om parijatapaharakaya namah who stole the parijAta flower.
    48. om govardhanacaloddhartre namah who held up the Govardhana mountain.
    49. om gopalaya namah protector of cows, GopAla.
    50. om sarva-palakaya namah protector of everything.
    51. om ajaya namah birthless.
    52. om niranjanaya namah the unblemished Lord.
    53. om kama-janakaya namah who incites the gopIs. desires.
     
  10. sleeping jiva

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    well, it was me, who suggested it and I have nothing against it :). I was explaining the nature of Krishna -even though he appeared to be ordinary being, all his deeds are transcendental.

    haribol!
     
  11. Rama Nityananda dasa

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    54. om kanja-locanaya namah lotus-eyed.
    55. om madhughne namah slayer of the demon Madhu.
    56. om mathura-nathaya namah Lord of MathurA.
    57. om dvaraka-nayakaya namah the hero of DvArakA.
    58. om baline namah the strong Lord.
    59. om vrndavananta-sancarine namah who loiters about the outskirts of VRndAvana.
    60. om tulasi-dama-bhusanaya namah who wears a TulasI garland.
    61. om syamantaka-maner hartre namah who appropriated the SyAmantaka jewel.
    62. om nara-narayanatmakaya namah the selfsame Nara-nArAyaNa.
    63. om kubjakrstambara-dharaya namah who bears the sandal paste taken from KubjA.
    64. om mayine namah magician, master of MAyA.
    65. om parama-purusaya namah Supreme person.
    66. om mustikasura-canura-malla-yuddha-visaradaya namah who expertly fought the wrestlers MuSTika & CANUra.
    67. om samsara-vairine namah enemy of material existence.
    68. om kamsaraye namah KaMsa's enemy.
    69. om muraraye namah Mura's enemy.
    70. om narakantakaya namah who dispensed the demon Naraka.
    71. om anadi-brahmacarine namah the eternal brahmacArI.
    72. om krsnavyasana-karsakaya namah KRSNa, who draws one away from attachment to vice.
    73. om sisupala-siras-chetre namah who split the nhead of ZizupAla.
    74. om duryodhana-kulantakaya namah who ended the dynasty of Duryodhana.
    75. om vidurakrura-varadaya namah who benedicted Vidura & AkrUra.
    76. om visvarupa-pradarsakaya namah who displayed the universal form.
    77. om satya-vace namah who speaks the truth.
    78. om satya-sankalpaya namah whose determination is fact.
    79. om satyabhama-rataya namah who is predisposed toward SatyabhAmA.
    80. om jayine namah the conqueror.
    81. om subhadra-purvajaya namah who appeared before SubhadrA.
    82. om visnave namah Lord ViSNu.
    83. om bhisma-mukti-pradayakaya namah who gave liberation to BhISma.
    84. om jagad-gurave namah preceptor of the worlds.
    85. om jagannathaya namah Lord of the universe.
    86. om venu-nada-saradaya namah expert in playing His flute.
    87. om vrsabhasura-vidhvamsine namah who destroyed the demon VRSabhAsura.
    88. om banasura-karantakaya namah who vanquished BANAsura's arms.
    89. om yudhisthira-pratisthatre namah who installed King YudhiSThira.
    90. om barhi-varhavatamsakaya namah whose crest is decorated with peacock feathers.
    91. om parthasarathaye namah charioteer of PArtha (Arjuna).
    92. om avyaktaya namah the Unmanifest.
    93. om gitamrta-mahodadhaye namah great nectar-ocean of gItA.
    94. om kaliya-phani-manikya-ranjita-sri-padambujaya namah whose beautiful lotus feet danced on the jeweled hoods of the KAliya serpent.
    95. om damodaraya namah bound up at the waist.
    96. om yajna-bhoktre namah the enjoyer of (everyone else's) sacrifices.
    97. om danavendra-vinasakaya namah destroyer of the leading demons.
    98. om narayanaya namah Lord NArAyaNa, ViSNu.
    99. om para-brahmane namah the Supreme absolute Truth.
    100. om pannagasana-vahanaya namah whose mount (GaruDa) devours snakes.
    101. om jala-kridasamasakta-gopi-vastrapaharakaya namah who stole the gopIs clothing while they played in the water.
    102. om punya-slokaya namah whose poetic depictions are virtuous.
    103. om tirtha-karaya namah creator of holy places.
    104. om veda-vedyaya namah the Vedas, and what is known by them.
    105. om daya-nidhaye namah repository of compassion.
    106. om sarva-bhutatmakaya namah the self of all created beings.
    107. om sarva-graha-rupine namah the form of everyone's fate.
    108. om parat-paraya namah transcendental even to the transcendental.
     
  12. gdkumar

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    It is all His Leela and His Maya.
    One can go above(beyond) these only after taking part in the divine game of illusions. We just can not say it is all maya and do not believe this and that.
    Maya is not without Him.

    All our existence is maya because we are all in transition and our existence is not eternal. Then should we all ignore everything including ourselves and others ?

    We should not, because after receiving knowledge from Him (the most kind,benevolent,merciful and compassionate), we understand that we are Him only as souls and we never perish. That is why after receiving knowledge we see ourselves in others(in the same form of souls) and we lose all sorts of dislikes and hatred towards others. Because we can not hate ourselves. We become quiet, we become premee(Lovers), we love everything that catches our eyes. Prem comes inside us, tears incessantly roll down.

    Then we see only good parts of others, ignore their bad sides. It takes time but the others also slowly and unknowingly change and become all good. It never fails because when you never see the bad in others the question of raising annoyance and hatred does not come.

    It is a process of "Induction" and it never fails. This is what we achieve by doing Sat-sang (Sadhu-sang). Chanting does, undoubtedly , everything. But
    chanting without love does not yield expected results.

    With love............Kumar.
     
  13. ChiefCowpie

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    "Visnujana's Disappearance"
    This is the story of Visnujana Swami's disappearance from this material world, back to Godhead. I have talked to witnesses that heard and saw some of the things that led up to Visnujana's alleged suicide. Visnujana Maharaja was a very advanced sanyasi and he enlivened living entities moving and non-moving all over America and beyond. Before Visnujana joined the Hare Krishna Movement back in the 60's he had separated from his wife and daughter. He talked to them at the 1975 San Francisco Rathayatra for about an hour. Visnujana heard that it was considered a 'falldown' for him to talk to his ex-wife since he was a sanyasi. Although I'm sure Visnujana was pure in his intentions; he still felt guilty as charged. This bothered him for quite some time. He came to India for the 1976 Goura-pournima festival. Visnujana Swami approached Srila Prabhupada who was walking on his rooftop and asked him what a sanyasi should do if he 'falls down'. Srila Prabhupada answered that like Chota Haridas he should commit suicide. There were quite a few devotees crowded around Srila Prabhupada as he walked. Srila Prabhupada hesitated for a moment and continued; but in this age the atonement is to just re-engage in devotional service. Visnujana Swami didn't hear this part. He thought Srila Prabhupada had already answered his question and he faded to the back of the crowd. That night Visnujana disappeared. He went to where Chota Haridas, from Chaitanya lila, committed suicide at Prayag and paid a few sadhus to help him with the ultimate sacrifice. They chanted special mantras so that he would not talk a 'ghost body.' Then rocks were tied to his cloth and he jumped off the boat into the Holy Waters. The Sadhus went to the New Delhi temple and told them about the 'white sanyasi' and what had happened. As the news spread around the world we were/are all deeply saddened by the event.

    "Srila Prabhupada's Reaction"
    Srila Prabhupada was sitting in his new quarters in Bombay when Tamal Krsna Maharaja entered. He began to tell Srila Prabhupada about the disappearance of Visnujana Maharaja. TKG said that Visnujana had not applied for a new passport to leave India and he was sure the 'white sanyasi' that the sadhus who went to the Delhi temple, talked about was Visnujana Maharaja. At this point Srila Prabhupada appeared to weep. He turned his head and gazed out the window. He said, "He did not have to do that". TKG asked if Srila Prabhupada knew where Visnujana was. Srila Prabhupada said, "Visnujana was very advanced; he's still chanting Hare Krishna. He's very advanced"! It was obvious that Srila Prabhupada did not want to talk about it anymore as he tearfully gazed out the window. About two weeks later Srila Prabhupada told us that Visnujana was chanting to him in his dreams. (Just like Chota Haridas who chanted for Lord Chaitanya.) I felt good hearing this from Srila Prabhupada. Later I also had a dream about Visnujana. I was following him up a mountain trail when he stopped and turned to me and told me to wait. He said I was not ready to go yet. I stood and watched as my first spiritual mentor disappeared up the trail like Maharaja Yudthistira.

    For Visnujana; Jayananda and then Srila Prabhupada to leave the planet was a great loss for all of us. We can only remember their great pastimes and gain inspiration from that. Hopefully when it's time we'll be fortunate enough to join them again.

    All glories to Srila Prabhupada and all of his devotees!
     
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    "Visnujana In Berkeley"
    Visnujana and the R.D.T.S.P. was always exciting. When we were in Berkeley in the summer of 74 we performed sankirtan at the front of the university every day for about 2 weeks. There was one Christian man preaching fire and brimstone every day. He was about 6'4" & 250#s. His voice was as loud as our amplified kirtan and he was really an agitation to the devotees. The bus driver and some of the others waited to force him to leave but Visnujana wouldn't let them. He tolerated this man day after day until he went a little too far.

    The man had a cane with him and raising it up he declared that we were worshipping idols and that he could break the idols into a thousand pieces. Visnujana had been blissfully playing his harmonium but when he heard that he poped up like Nasringadeva; grabbing his rather large dunda from the side of the alter he charged the shocked Christian. The man looked like death personified was approaching. He turned and ran as fast as he could down the street. All we could see was Visnujana hitting him back and forth with his danda all the way down the street. Needless to say the man never returned. My feelings for Visnujana Maharaja increased more and more the whole year that I traveled with him.
     
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    "Visnujana in Key West"
    Traveling on Sri Sri Radha Damodara's bus was always an adventure. There was hardly a dull moment. In the winter months we traveled in the southern states and in the summer the north. In the winter of 1974 we were in Florida. We left most of the devotees in Ft. Lauderdale and took a small crew for an sankirtan outing in Key West.



    There is a famous place where people gather to watch the sunset. It's also one of the only places where the sunrise and sunset can be observed from the same place.

    (at different times of course)
    We pulled up to the site about an hour before sunset. Alot of people had started to gather already for the evening ritual. Some of the people noticed us and began to jeer. They didn't want us interfering in their sense gratification I guess. Tamal Krishna Maharaja expressed reservations about setting up in such a situation. Visnujana Swami however was never dissuaded from spreading the glories of the Holy Names and assured us that it would be ok. We didn't drive hundreds of miles for nothing. We set up and started to chant. A few of the people continued to mock at us. Some came over and sarcastically danced with beers in their hands. Visnujana Swami stopped the kirtan and in his esoteric and amiable voice he told them that we wanted them to dance with us but could they leave their beers elsewhere. They left laughing and we didn't expect them back. Within an hour more and more of the hundreds of people had turned from the upcoming sunset to join our kirtan. Finally it seemed everyone on the whole dock was dancing and chanting with us. Even the guys from before had rejoined us. (Probably because all of the girls had!) As the sun set beautifully in the distance hardly anyone noticed. They were absorbed in the sunrise of Sri Chaitanya's Hari Nama Sankirtan Mission. I saw a potentially dangerous situation turn into a spiritual festival of love of God. Visnujana Swami did this day after day. It was amazing. His heart was so pure and he was so humble that he had a positive influence on everyone who was fortunate enough to come in contact with him.
    All glories to the mission of Sri Sri Guru & Gauranga!!!
    The bus program was so successful. Why don't we repeat history? It's tried and true!
    Ooooom namo Bhagavate Vasudeviya!
     
  16. ChiefCowpie

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    It was like he came to New York and they said, "No money, no men, no trucks." The truck they gave us, the gas pedal broke on it. So Jayananda hooked up...it was one of those trucks where the engine's right next to you. They took off the cover, they put a block of wood on the carburetor, you put your heel on the carburetor, and you tied a string to your toe and the toe was hooked to the gas. You'd work the clutch and the brake with your left foot, and a big stick was here and you'd be driving with the toe. - Murli-Krsna dasa

    This was happening all the time, every day, so many ordinary people were charmed by Jayananda's big and golden heart, and their lives were changed. If it was not Ratha-yatra, then it was the Govardhana Hill festival in San Diego, or the Santa Cruz festival, or the Berkeley festival. Jayananda always had a project of some upcoming festival and feast.

    Jayananda was there for so many people. Young, old, made no difference. He was there for the seven-year-old boy that Jiva­dhara spoke about, how Jayananda told him of Krishna and they chanted and danced, and then Jayananda gave initiation to the boy and gave him the name of Parameshvara. The boy was ecstatic and painted one of Lord Jagannatha's wheels. From chapter 12

    Everyone was a nectar hound, as far as they could push it. Mostly the senior devotees could remain in Prabhupada's room for a long time, and a few other lucky ones. But ... there was a blatant non-presence, someone was very conspicuous by his absence – Jayananda was not there, hardly at all. Finally Srila Prabhupada articulated his concern, “Where is Jayananda?” From chapter six.

    Jayananda's face winced, and he looked down and said with very deep conviction, “No ... I'm too fallen ... my relationship with my spiritual master ... is through my service!” From chapter six.

    We were both aware of the short time we had left with Jayananda. I wrote back and told Jayananda that he was “going back to Godhead,” and cited the verse in Srimad Bhagavatam:ante narayana smrtih...” [click on "back to Godhead" for what Srila Prabhupada said about the origin of the soul]

    From chapter 5- ....he turned and noticed a picture of Srila Prabhupada at the head of the bed, propped up by the pillow. Jayananda then explained how he had never had such a nice bed like this (as a devotee), and how he thought it was more appropriate that his spiritual master Srila Prabhupada should enjoy the bed. I tremble as I write this. Jayananda gave his nice bed to his beloved Gurudeva, in great love and devotion, and laid his cancer-riddled body on the floor in the small space in front of the bed. more



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    Kumar! It makes me smile to see that you have come back to this thread...I, and I'm sure many of the others, have missed your kind words and beautiful insight....

    I agree...we should see the good in others...and we cannot say that there isn't because if we are all a part of Krsna than we are all good...its just a matter of whether or not we chose to accept this and live up to what we really are...
     
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    SvgGrdnBeauty, i noticed you live in new jersey...my guru is coming to nyc in two weeks and for sure that a spiritual seeker having but a moments association with this great sadhu will have great benefits


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    ChiefCowPie: thanx for your stories about Vishnujana :)

    as for a mother, your guru, nothing about Krishna mentioned on her website -how come?


    gdkumar: no. we should love Krishna first, then love to other people will come naturally. All love to people without Krishna consciousness is egotism. The advanced people, who are positioned in this quality of goodness, they know that the results of their love to others will be beneficial, but yet it is an imprisonment in this world. Devotees of Krishna, they go beyond goodness. To see Supersoul in everybody that means to see him with your own eyes!!! If you're not in that level, you cannot see people in their true position. Please chant, even though you're full of hatred, don't think you're independent. Everything is controled by Lord. If a pure devotee feels anger it is direct control of Lord -it is trancendental. Like Vishnujana, from Chief Cow Pie's article he doesn't care if it's morally good to banish this Christian guy, he simply went and he protected message of God. Anyhow, I know this can be exploited. You say: " &Iuml;'m doing this in name of God", but in fact you don't even knowwho is God. yes, in that case, it is ignorant. It doesn't mean we should become heartless. We live in our bodies, they're part of maya as you wisely reminded us. Therefore, devotees are indeed in mode of goodness. Only from there, we can love purely Krishna. But at the same time, the only way how to get there is to love Krishna. Krishna says to Arjuna, when he's about to kill his family members that compassion is a feature of a pure devotee. Whatever you do, whatever you feel, chant. There's no other way. If someone's feel anger towards people, or is totally soaked in maya, let him chant. No artificial love will help him.
     
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    [​IMG] Chanting (Japa)

    Japa is the vocal and mental repetition of the divine name or sound (mantra). Amma says that "the purpose of mantra japa(chanting) is to lead us to the ultimate silence of the Self, from where all sounds and forms arise. Further, in the present age of materialism, chanting the mantra (japa), is the easiest way for us to obtain inner purification and concentration. Japa can be done at any time, anywhere without observing any rule regarding the purity of mind and body. Japa can be done while engaged in any task.

    Actions that help develop japa chanting

    It is always advisable to obtain a mantra from a Self-Realized Master (Sat-Guru). Until then we may use one of the mantras of our beloved deity like "Om Namah Shivaya", "Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya", "Om Namo Narayanaya", "Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare, Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare", "Hari Om", "Om Parashaktyai Namaha", "Om Shivashaktyaikya Rupinyai Namaha" or even the names of Christ, Allah or Buddha. Deciding to chant the mantra a certain number of times daily will help foster the japa habit. We should always keep a rosary (mala) with us for doing japa. A rosary can be made of 108, 54, 27, or 18 beads of rudraksha, tulasi, crystals, sandal, gems, etc., with one Guru (main) bead. We should resolve to chant a certain number of rosaries daily. Children, we should always chant the mantra in our minds while walking, traveling or working.

    The importance of repetition

    Try not to have any break in chanting the mantra even for a moment. Continue repeating the mantra while engaged in any task. Chanting in the mind may not always be possible at first, so in the beginning, practice japa by moving the lips incessantly, like a fish drinking water. If japa is maintained, no useless talk during work will be possible. The mind will always remain peaceful. Modern day diseases are mostly psychosomatic. Japa will bestow good health to both mind and body.

    If chanting is not possible during a certain task, then pray before starting it: "Lord, give Your blessings so that I may do this work in a manner that pleases You!" At the end, pray again to the Lord for forgiving any mistakes we may have committed during the task consciously or otherwise.

    Constantly repeating God's name will diminish the ego

    "I am an important person; I hold a high position in society. How can I go to the temple and worship in the jostling crowd there? How will I bow down before the Lord? Isn't that demeaning?" Thoughts like these arise from the ego. Be ready, always, anywhere, to repeat the Lord's name and to pay homage to the Lord and the guru. We don't gain anything from a certificate of greatness from society; what we need is a certificate from God. With constant effort, we will be able to repeat the mantra in our minds even while doing any type of job.

    Don't forget God for even a second

    If we lose our money while traveling, think how frantically we search for it! In the same way, if we are unable to do japa even for a brief moment, we should grieve: "Alas, Lord, I have lost so much time! " If there is such anguish, even the time we spend sleeping will not be wasted. Children, even if we lose a million dollars, we can recover it. If we lose one second, we cannot get it back. Every moment that we are not remembering God is lost to us. Chanting replaces other thoughts with that particular mantra. Just as saline water loses its salty taste by constantly adding fresh water, through constant repetition of a mantra, the number of thoughts can be reduced. In due course, all thoughts can be eliminated excepts one, that is God. Love will spring through japa if one has complete faith and intent to reach the goal. Mantra japa, done with the proper understanding of this principle will ultimately take us to the Source. At this point, the seeker realizes that the form he has been meditating on, as well as all other forms that exist within himself, are the manifestations of the Self.

    Write the mantra daily

    It is a good practice to write at least one page of mantra daily. Many people get better concentration by writing than by chanting. Try also to inculcate in children the habit of chanting and neatly writing the mantra. This will help to improve their handwriting, too. The book in which the mantra is written should not be thrown around; it should be carefully kept in our meditation or shrine room.

    Puja

    Chant the divine names with devotion

    Children, if we can do archana of the thousand names of the Divine Mother daily with devotion, we will grow spiritually. There will never be lack of life's essentials, food and clothing, in a family that chants the Lalita Sahasranama with devotion.

    Children, we should consider every name as the name of our beloved deity. Imagine that He is the one that appears in all the different forms. If our beloved deity is Krishna, then while chanting the names of the Divine Mother, imagine that Krishna has come before us as Devi. We should not think that since we are chanting Devi's names, Krishna might not like it. These differences exist only in our world, not in His.


    Visualization before beginning archana

    It is useful to place a picture of our beloved deity in front of us during the archana. Meditate for five minutes before starting the worship. Visualize the beloved deity clearly from head to foot and then again from foot to head. We should imagine that the deity from within the lotus of our hearts comes to sit on the special seat placed in front of us. We should imagine that we are offering flowers at the feet of our deity as we chant each mantra. Visualize in the heart a tree in full bloom and imagine picking and offering those white flowers from this tree. Whenever real flowers are not available or not sufficient, we may do archana with such mental flowers (Manasa Pushpam) of the heart. Such flowers, offered with devotion, are dearest to the Lord. The flowers of the heart are humility, devotion and an attitude of surrender.


    Whatever binds us most, whatever is dearest to us, that is what we should offer the Lord. Doesn't a mother give her child whatever she thinks is the best?


    Pranayama (breathing exercise) before beginning archana

    Doing some pranayama (breathing exercises) before archana helps us gain concentration. Sit erect, close the right nostril, inhale through the left nostril, then exhale through the right nostril while closing the left. Now inhale through the right and exhale through the left. This makes one round of pranayama. This may be done three times. While inhaling, we should visualize that all good qualities are filling us. While exhaling, imagine that all evil qualities, bad thoughts and evil vasanas (tendencies) are leaving us in the form of darkness.

    At the end of archana

    Do not get up immediately at the end of the archana. The beloved deity should be brought from the seat in front of us back into our hearts and reinstalled there. Seeing the form of the deity seated in the heart, meditate a little longer. If it is possible, it is good to sing two or three kirtans (hymns). After taking an injection, a patient is asked to rest for a few minutes to let the medicine spread throughout the body. Similarly, to obtain the full benefit of the mantras, we should keep the mind calm for a while after worship.


    if you go back and read, you will see he tolerated blasphemy against the message and himself for many days but only when this fellow threatened his beloved Radha Damodhara with his cane did Vishnujana get up and chase this much bigger man down the street...devotees will tolerate insults against themselves...it is their humble nature
     

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