application of DPT freebase oil to inert plant matter

anybody have any suggestions? ellis? gnrm? anyone?

the title is pretty self explaining...

its not soluble in water, and its supposed to be a really thick, sticky, viscous ooze. not eactly easy to get on your parsley....i'd like to know of something that will A) dissolve the freebase into a thinner fluid so it will be easier to work with B) dry quickly so that its ready to use within no more than two days C) not interact with the DPT to degrade the chemical or otherwise alter or interfere with my potential experience

any other DPT related info would be great. i've been spending a good time looking for info on it, but its scarce other than anecdotal reports. yes, i've read erowid, read the online parts of TiHKAL that dealt with it, looked around at bluelight, i've found a source, i can afford it, and i'm definitely interested in trying something close to DMT in magnitude without having to take mao inhibitors. i have some syrian rue, which i wish to use with mushrooms and/or DMT containing plants at some point, but before that happens i want to have a more brief but still very intense psychedelic experience to see how i deal with it. DMT would be nice, but DPT is very similar from what i understand, and its not scheduled so its easier to get. i simply do not have the skills or the money to invest in extracting DMT from plants in any exact manner.

 

Dude you don't need skills. There is an extraction on the net that has pictures and everything. The extraction is possible for people like me or you who are not trained lab technicians by any means.

 

i've seen extraction guides out there, and i don't have the equipment or skill to do it -right-

no seperating funnel, no solvents or money to buy them with, etc.

but thats pretty much beside the point right now. DMT isn't what i am thinking of trying. DPT is. if you aren't going to post something helpful, perhaps post elsewhere...?

 

That suggestion was my way of offering help.. whatever.

 

you didn't even offer the address, what help was actually offered? i took it basically as saying i'm lazy or stupid for NOT doing this. i've seen many step by step processes for extracting pure DMT, but that still doesn't do me much good. i don't have a separatory funnel. i don't know where the hell to buy pH testing paper. i don't have money for glassware or solvents. i don't have anything more than a highschool chemistry class under my belt, and that was 2 or 3 years ago anyhow. yeah, i could just soak some DMT containing plants in some solvent and make a gummy extract that MIGHT provide some effect smoked, but it would barely be pure DMT and wouldnt be of much value outside of possibly making a kind of concentrated ayahuasca in gelcaps...

 

thats wierd, as far as i could find its still unscheduled, though i did know about the church thing. anyway, there are still people offering it, and its way cheaper than 300 bucks a gram...the site i'm looking at has 250mg of freebase for 30 euro, and 250 of the HCl salt for 25...a gram is 90 and 75 respectively....

i've never ordered research chemicals before, but i'm going to in a few days. i was thinking of DPT freebase and some 2C-E....

now, if DPT actually IS scheduled (news to me! maybe its true, i wouldnt be shocked) then i'm a bit worried. i know several sites offer things that aren't legal in the us....tma-2 and foxy methoxy as good examples...but DPT freebase is an oil, and i can't see anybody shipping a vial of oil in a normal envelope. i don't want my shit confiscated at customs, that would really make for a bad day...

so i guess i'm either odering the HCl salt or more 2C-E and no DPT....

 

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dpt/dpt_law.shtml

yeah, thats as far as i know concerning DPT laws. but then, erowid is wrong every once in a while. got any information i should see before i consider ordering? i dont much like the idea of ordering scheduled chemicals online. seems too risky, even though i've heard good things about my source.

anyway, the reason i wanted to thin it out is that i'm looking at a pretty small amount here, and if its an oil i'd assume it would be sent in a vial rather than something that can easily be sent in an envelope. its supposed to be pretty thick and sticky, and the only reason i'd want to thin it out would be to more easily remove it from the vial to apply to parsley or whatever.

i dunno what you mean about hash. only ways i know of making hash involve silk screens, bubble bags, or getting the resin stuck on hands or something and scraping it off....hash presses...all that good stuff.....don't know about making hash from any kind of oil. i mean, i know what hash oil is, but thats a whole different thing...i don't know what you're talking about...?


{edit} i've looked over the DEA website's list of scheduled substances. well, that is, i skimmed it. DPT isn't listed there in the "other names" column, and i didn't see dipropyltryptamine on the list of schedule I substances (if it were scheduled, theres no doubt in my mind it would be schedule I with all other "hallucinogens" save lysergic acid, lysergic acid amide, and i suppose, if you count it, ketamine...)

take a look over that and see if i'm right, its long and boring and i may very well have missed it. if you find it, let me know. i'm going to go over it one more time before i get offline though

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/scheduling.html

 

How about vaporising the DPT freebase on foil or in a test-tube?

I guess it would also be possible to easy make dpt freebase with ammonia

 

you could "freebase" the DPT freebase like you mentioned, but its a matter of dosage. its hard to weigh out a few milligrams of sticky ooky oil....if it were on some parsley or something, it would still be messy to work with, but still much easier to handle

 

oh. yeah. i wouldn't call that hash, really.

anyway, if the DEA doesn't say it's scheduled, i'm not going to sweat it. but because of my money situation, i think i'm just gonna get the 2C-E and save the DPT for another time, when i've got money to do so. 2C-E i could share with friends for a small price, just enough so that what i do is free, and perhaps turn a minor profit.

 

either way, i ordered a very small quantity of both 2C-E and DPT, but i doubt there will be any problem with either of them. at least the law will be enough of a grey area to keep me out of any trouble even if the packages DO get opened, which i doubt.

 

if the dpt is indeed f.b. then it will dissolve just fine in a little acetone or alcohol (gentle warming can help), & this solution can then be mixed with the "carrier" herb & dried out overnight...

 

thanks! thought it probably would work.

now i have a small amount of DPT left and insufflation has given me mixed results....one REALLY intense trip, involving ego death but it could have been a bit stronger.....the other was just introspection and vomitting and no real "tripping" like the first time....i dunno.....

anyway, is there a simple way to turn less than 300mg or so into freebase? i read a trip report where someone said they took a small amount of DPT and mixed it with ammonia and then drained the ammonia and let the stuff dry off......should this work? will the residual ammonia actually all be gotten rid of by letting it evaporate?

 

ok, so im a little unclear on the chemistry of this. mind you the only chemistry i've had was a very rudimentary high school course, i didnt opt for further chem classes unfortunately. the following is a theoretical procedure i may or may not ever get around to performing, as i understand it (i dont understand it too very well). please correct any mistakes or inform me of errors or dangers in this procedure.

-dump the DPT into a small amount of ammonia

-add a nonpolar solvent

-seperate the DPT freebase and solvent mixture from the ammonia

-discard ammonia, evaporate most of the solvent off of the DPT freebase until its a liquid, but a rather viscous one

-add some plant matter, most likely parsley, to the DPT freebase liquid and allow it to completely dry

or would it be safer to allow the solvent to evaporate fully, then reliquify the DPT with some 99% isopropanol and THEN add it to the parsley/whatever?

 

i understand the solvent may well be very flammable, and the fumes poisonous. thats why i'm concerned with whether or not its necessary for me to evaporate off the solvent in its entirety before adding the inert material, because isopropanol would probably be a good bit safer if theres a little left in the material when i smoke it. of course, regardless i would at LEAST allow it to dry overnight.

i've had mixed reactions from insufflation of the HCL salt, and do not particularly care to attempt oral dosing as it would require too much and some people need very large amounts of it orally if they aren't using an MAO inhibitor. i have some rue seeds, but i'm almost a little scared to use them, as i've never tried them before and i am dirt ass poor at the moment and really can't afford to be too picky about what i eat for a few weeks...though many people would look down on this route of administration, using DPT HCl in water as an enema is supposed to work very well and be a good bit more reliable and comfortable than insufflation, and i have no problem with this in theory except that i would not want to, errr, expel it while under the heavy influence of such a drug. it would be rather unpleasant to return to reality with that kind of a surprise. anyway, i have very little monetary resources at my disposal, and thats why i'm hoping it's not absolutely necessary for me to use any extra types of solvent i wouldnt have around the house, as i'd already need to buy some ammonia specifically for this, i dont want to have to buy something like hexane and then alcohol on top of that.....ideally i would further refine it to get rid of any remaining ammonia....but if i let it evaporate in a dark place for, say, three or four days....is there really a major risk of significant enough quantities of ammonia to remain to make me sick? how sick, and what would the nature of the sickness likely be?

*sigh*

 

hexane is what generally comes to mind when i think of nonpolar solvents. i think ellis recommended it for use in LSA extractions and making hash oil as a somewhat safer alternative to something like butane, i think? iirc, he said a generally good/clean brand is bestine rubber cement thinner, which should be pure hexane. i'm not positive...does that sound right?

thing is i dont have money to buy large amounts of these products for a very small amount of material i'll be working with. i dont even have money for gas for my car right now

i need to get a new job asap, but its taking a longer time than i'd like

 

btw, is there any other easy way to turn DPT into a freebase form?

i'd heard of ammonia and such being used in making freebase cocaine....
but then also knew a less pure form of freebase cocaine can be made with baking soda....not as potent gram per gram because its less pure, but it still does the trick for people who like this type of stuff....is there cheaper way to make DPT freebase like this? i really dont care if i have to take a bigger hit or something

 

yeah, plus my car's busted, so i'm driving my mother's rodeo......

fucking suvs

anyhow, any way to make like....low quality DPT crack?

 

I'm considering trying smoking DOI, but more like a vaporizer. I.e. heating up a sealed glass jar, so the DOI vaporizes, and inhaling the vapor. It melts at 200ish C, and I assume vaporizes well within the potential of a bunsen burner (what I intend to use). My biggest concern lies in the ingestion of vaporized DOI. I would prefer not to scorch my throat. Do y'all have any suggestions for the smoking of DOI?

 

ok, thanks for the explanation. yeah, i tried it early on with about 50mg of DPT, making a solution with a high amount of baking soda in water. i then mixed in the DPT. a precipitate did form, but i dont know how much of it was baking soda. i removed it, dried it off, and smoked it with nearly no effect. i DID have a slight tryptamine buzz, but it wasn't anything to write home about. i was just curious if perhaps there were a more surefire way you knew of using something like this. i can say it didnt work well for me, but thats not to say it's impossible afaik. i may have fucked it up. live and learn!