Do you REALLY expect me to believe...

An invisible, intangible, non-substance BEING called "God" lives in some outer dimension transcendent of nature and this God created man and woman and placed them in a garden, in "his own image", but got righteously angry at them when they ate a fruit, against his wish, and after being tempted by a talking serpent that god himself had somehow allowed to slither about in the garden, a tasty, beautiful fruit, though he himself had placed it there but neglected to instill in his creations the knowledge of good and evil so that they would know it was wrong to eat it. Being omniscient, of course, he knew all this before he started, but was apparently unable to do anything about it because he had planned it this way from the beginning, and apparently god cannot change anything he already knows, in spite of the fact that he's omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent.

Later, God himself impregnated a virgin so that he himself could be born a human, a ManGod. This was necessary, apparently, because only his own ManGod blood could appease himself and deliver humans, who he created, and who he knew would muck things up by eating the fruit, from his own righteous anger.

Of course, he waited several thousand years to implement this divine plan, in the meantime taking the righteous action of drowning every creature on the planet except a few he could stuff on a boat. Not to mention handing down a Law that served to further condemn every one of us, and in which Law he himself had them frequently sacrifice animals to appease himself, though he knew the blood of animals didn't really appease himself.

Much later, god, in a garden, prayed to himself to "take this cup" away from himself, though he himself knew that he himself had planned the coming events from the beginning and knew that not even he himself could save himself, even though he was god and omnipotent, omniscient, etc. Accepting this, he said, in effect, "Not my will, but my will."

God then sacrificed himself to himself to save us from himself. (or had himself sacrificed; not much of a distinction between the two, really) Before dying, he himself asked he himself why he had forsaken himself.

He himself, being dead, then raised himself from the dead less than 40 hours later, though he himself had said he'd be dead for three days and three nights, which he could do because he was still alive, and later he himself pulled himself up into heaven where he himself apparently already was, and where he himself is described as now sitting at the right hand of himself.

He himself then sent himself (or a ghost of himself, if you please) back to earth to be a comfort to us, though he himself is still sitting at the right hand of himself.

And, glory hallelujah, he himself promised that he himself will return someday, though he himself is already here, and will still be there, to snatch up those who believe the god blood sacrifice story he himself told us, and kill the rest of us who don't believe the god blood sacrifice story, no matter how nice we were otherwise. But, since killing us isn't enough to appease his righteousness, he himself will then judge us, though according to ManGod he himself will also not judge us, and being a god of love will cast most of us into THE FIERY ETERNAL OVEN called "HELL" for ALL eternity to suffer!!!! Muahahaha!!! (oh sorry... got a little carried away...back to the story). He has to, of course, because he is a righteous, just god, and can't figure out a way to save anyone who hasn't been redeemed by god-blood, even though he is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent, and loves us all.

And this all makes perfect sense, eh?

 

wow that about sums it up. crazy shit, huh? But hes going it out of LOVE, maaan!! dont you see?? L-O-V-E. God loves us so much that he did all of that crazy shit!Does it make sense now?

 

Sounds like a schizophrenic in the most severe of stages to me.

Actually, it sounds quite like REHASHED mythology to me.

 

And Libertine? If you mix equal parts of muriatic acid and peanut butter, and spread the mixture on a concrete driveway, the next morning you can park your car on rubies and emeralds.

 

its a pretty ridiculous story... although some will argue that the stuff about adam and eve or the ark thing is really a metaphor for something else... but no i dont expect you to believe it. but hey, if believing all of that makes people feel safe, because they believe they'll live after they die, and their life ISN'T pointless, because they're meant to serve, and if they want that security, then i say, they can go ahead and believe.

 

Sure, go ahead and dive in to the slavery called religion, but I will try rescue as many minds as possible before I die.

 

Oh! Hallelujah...it MUST be true. I believe it. I have faith it WILL happen....


*12 hours later*

Damn... Oh it must've been "God's will".

 

when belief denies reality..............

 

Ouch

 

You are a king of rehashing. Just because you don't have the will or the capacity to have a faith in a higher power, you don't have to take out your frustration on believers(there have been and still are millions and billions of believers. They have been around for thousands of years and all over the world). You could take up kite flying or wood whittling or something.

It takes big disasters for some people to find God. Maybe you ought to go to New Orleans. There might be be another hurricane down that way in the next month or so.

 

Ah, it takes great sadness to realize and believe in God. Hm, ill chose the god that DOESNT cause me great pain and sadness

 

It takes big disasters for some people to find God.

I know what you mean. Today I was doing my daily sin (masturbation) and when the deed was done God appeared before me and said "Yay, do not fret my child, here, taketh this sacred paper towel and wipeth that sin off your face." I immediatley decided to turn my life around and follow the light of God. Out of the gallery of Christianity, I chose Catholicism as my religion to save me from eternal hellfire. According to Catholicism, every sperm is sacred, taking this into mind, I ate the paper towel covered in my semen so they would not go to waste.

 

Ad hominem right off the bat. Always a favorite!

I don't lack the will or capacity to have faith. I'd rather have reason and knowledge. I'd rather have evidence to make rational assessments. Just because you can't prove it, doesn't equal "God did it."

Secondly you are committing another fallacy by appealing to popularity. (because so many people are religious, thus it must be true!) Well, at one time the majority of the world believed in volcano gods and flat earth too. Doesn't make it so, does it?

And it takes big disasters for some people to realize there is NO GOD. Maybe you should go to New Orleans and "strengthen" your "faith"? Or maybe go to one of those foreign beheading nations, and pray "God" to save you? Or maybe just drink some poison and play chicken with a copperhead? According to your Bible, you'll be alright! You have "faith"! Or you could go to Africa and track down a lion and try to play "Daniel in the Lion's Den"...

Secondly, why is it always "pain" and "suffering"? If "Goody Goody God" exists, why not extreme pleasure?

Sorry, but PAIN & SUFFERING doesn't turn me toward "The Invisible, Intangible and IMAGINARY Holy Murderer in the Sky".

You, nor anyone else, has even attempted an explanation for the incredibly ridiculous story in this thread, just emotional outbursts and ad hominem attacks. Why?

 

I could argue against all of that excpet that quote.Good job.Now I have to go and do research to answer my question about that.

 

We'll continue to help Jesus rescue your mind before you die, and get out of that slavery called sin.

I'll be praying for you.

 

Ryu, please don't "prey" on me. I'd rather not be "prey" to the slavery of religion. But, if you must speak to your imaginary friend in the sky, at least save yourself all that time talking about me, because I will never go back to the ball and chain again.

 

It isn't a dignifying thing but, it's better than raping someone.

Nowhere did I say that, I take Christianity as conventionally taught. It should be apparent to anyone who has read my posts.

While we should strive to hold sexual activity as a sacred thing done after marriage, the forces of the society we live in, limit our ability to form healthy families at a young age. While it is in the best interest of the offspring to have fully mature parents, often this is possible for young women as young as age 14 and 16 for young men. These happens to be the minimum ages recognized by the Catholic Church for marriage. However, as I said society puts farther limits on marriage.

 

my question is, why did you have that 'stuff' on your face?

 

You know if you pour (black) coffee on unsealed concrete, it turns greenish colored?

 

I am sorry, it is hard not to sound pompous when you are right.

And if you have been paying attention at all, you know I do not advocate a totally conventional Christian teachings.