An Anarchist's brief perspective on the New Orleans situation

Discussion in 'America Attacks!' started by ChanginTimes, Sep 5, 2005.

  1. LordInsanity

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    Anarchy is a wasteful and useless idea.....alot of you have this idea we would all come togeather if we disolved the goverment....maybe a lesser form might work but...you keep forgetting human nature....Chaos will always be the end result.
    and if there is a organized group or nation nearby....they will always dominate or try too.
     
  2. ChanginTimes

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    Can you PLEASE stop talking as though you have any knowledge or expertise on ANY subject at all?!! Return to your Playstation, or X-box and listening to Blink182 you stereotypical clone.

    (I'm sorry Skip, this guy represents everything I hate about mainstream America)
     
  3. ChanginTimes

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    "and if there is a organized group or nation nearby....they will always dominate or try too."

    It almost sounds like that's what you'd want...like you're a glutton for punishment or something. Dude, have some faith!

    "Nothing at all remains of efforts to halt man's imminent demise,"

    Skip, I assure you, that's not true! Even though it seems it, there remains an active pre-Revolutionary movement in existance that is currently devising strategies to counter this assault on everything that is good and green. We all need to stick together, and yes, eventually...probably sooner than later, we will have to unite in person...and no longer on the internet.
     
  4. skip

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    Um, that might not be necessary, for people to unite in person. That only makes it easier for them to put down a revolution. There are lessons to be learned by looking at how Al Qaeda managed to create and coordinate a world-wide movement of independent cells via the internet. Independent cells have served the muslim community in their revolutionary activities for a long time. They managed to oust the Europeans from Africa and soon the Americans from the mideast, using no more than a few websites to disseminate information and instructions.

    The way to defeat a centralized command structure is to be decentralized. Ask any Viet Cong...
     
  5. skip

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    You confuse chaos and Anarchy as do all those who've been brainwashed.

    Want to know the most successful example of anarchy today?

    You're using it right now!

    The World Wide Web.

    No leaders, no government defined borders, just people communicating, engaging in commerce and doing it with equal rights.

    This may change as governments cannot allow anarchy to thrive (it threatens their centralized power) and are already conspiring with big business to control all commerce & communications on the web.

    BTW, the Internet & personal computer which both allow us to engage in this anarchy, were invented by HIPPIES! Those freedom loving people who saw the potential of a distributed system where NO ONE is in charge - Anarchy.

    And you think the WWW is a worthless and useless idea?

    See you have been BLINDED to the potential of Anarchy to free us from our bonds and liberate our true free spirit.
     
  6. ChanginTimes

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    Of course it has to be decentralized. Uniting in person wouldn't change that...in fact it would help facilitate it! lol

    This movement is vast...much of the coordination is on the internet, but demonstrations happen on the streets. Those demonstrations, at best...are completely decentralized. I've seen it in action and been a part of it, and I plan on continuing!
     
  7. ChanginTimes

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    What's even scarier is that these people are perfectly contented to remain blind. In fact, if you show them a glimmer of truth, they will cringe and even retreat.
    It seems that showing them another way to look at the world shakes up their entire psychological makeup and jarrs their system to the point of revulsion, like Neo in The Matrix when Morpheus shows him the battery analogy.
     
  8. hippypaul

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    Anarchism is a range of political views whose name is derived from the Latin word anarchia which was first employed in translating Aristotle's Greek term αναρχία the privative prefix αν an- "without" is combined with αρχία arkhê — meaning "command" or "rule"). Thus anarchism, in the most generally understood sense of the term, refers to any political position or belief that is opposed to all manifestations of rule or domination. Thus, in theory, anarchism, in its various forms, is opposed to all instances of enforced or representational government — including the State — and instead favours social relations that are voluntarily and freely established among individuals.
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

    I am an adherent of rational anarchy because I deny that anyone has the moral right to have power over me. There are many people who assert their right to power over me and I have to pick my battles carefully and accept the results of my actions. I have been beaten and imprisoned for my "crimes" in the past. Some of these crimes included being a "long haired freak" or “a niger lover" or "an un-American communist" or a "filthy pervert". However, I will not accept that anyone rules over me. I agree with the comment regarding the potential of the web. I only hope we can keep them from taking it away from us. I think that in the truest meaning of the term everyone that posts here is a believer in anarchy
     
  9. mynameiskc

    mynameiskc way to go noogs!

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    so, i understand what you're saying about the benefits of the long term view for society. but how do we deal with the pack of enraged, foaming at the mouth, marginalized males who've been denigrated by society until we've had a chance to repair the social functions that will drive these males towards abusing the physically weak?
     
  10. skip

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    Of course that's a good question, and you must understand first that anarchy is a system of voluntary associations as stated before, so of course you're not going to want to socialize with those who would do you harm. Instead you form close alliances with people who offer the REAL security of voluntary communities.

    These communities, like say the Rainbow Family, while loosely knit, do agree upon certain basic civilized behaviors. They have NO PROBLEM running off those who don't act civilized according to the standards of the group. And the Rainbows being a very tolerant group don't have to do it often.

    Whereas few conservatives would approve of the Rainbow way of life, so they are not obliged to associate with them.

    Whereas in mainstream society we must always associate with random individuals who may or may not constitute a threat. So in an anarchistic society, there would be much more segementation of society into groups who tolerate each other, and less friction (hopefully) between groups, as they all have total freedom within their group.

    So in anarchy you'll have your pot growers & smokers hangin out, and your football fanatics getting drunk together, but they wouldn't be required to live up to each others expectations, and whatever rules they decide to set down, they do for their own group only.

    It's always possible for conflicts of interest to arise where groups find themselves in opposition, but it would be in their mutual best interest to resolve the difference rather than resort to violence because then everyone loses.

    In any case groups that are radically different will be less of a threat to each other because everyone gets what they want, and there isn't a political compromise necessary (which results in deals that benefit the politicians and their associates).

    What is lacking in people who denigrate Anarchy is any faith in humanity to put it's best foot forward, given half a chance to evolve a more egalitarian society.
     
  11. green_revolution

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  12. mynameiskc

    mynameiskc way to go noogs!

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    i see. so it's a somewhat more formalized version of natural human behavior. that's cool. but wouldn't it lead to a more radical degree of racial segmentation? i'm extremely grateful for some of the random associations in my life. it's the big nasty scary ones that bother me.
     
  13. skip

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    Of course there will be segmentation among many lines, racial included. Look at all the shit going on around the world. People WANT to live with their own kind & want to have self-determination. That's the biggest reason for wars. The ongoing conflict in Iraq is racial, the conflict in Kosovo was racial. I could name a hundred different wars that were started in the last century alone because of racial differences.

    Anarchy would remove false borders that either keep groups apart (like the Kurds who are divided), or unite disparate groups (like the shias, kurds and sunnis in Iraq) who are together only so that the western countries can get their oil more easily. The "Iraqis" were forced together earlier this century for the convenience of the British oil companies, and you see how well that's turned out.

    Segmentation will allow groups to continue to develop & maintain their own identities without threats from within. It would certainly make muslims happy to not have to put up with western imperialism and domination of their affairs.

    I don't think the loss of random associations would be a problem on the scale that arbitrary borders and forced associations create.
     
  14. mynameiskc

    mynameiskc way to go noogs!

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    arbitrary borders are a bitch, that's for sure. i don't suppose that at this point we would altogether stop associations with other groups, anyway. but it seems as though it would be hard for some people to find their "group." what if the place they call home is taken over by some other group? i guess it would be "adapt or be removed." but, that's pretty natural to the animal kingdom, too, of which we are part, no matter what our egos like to tell us.
     
  15. skip

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    As you can see when you start to discuss the implementation of an anarchist system, it has NOTHING to do with what went down in New Orleans. There was little voluntary association going on there, except perhaps among the gangs roaming the streets.

    By associating Anarchy with chaos, not only does it give it a bad name, but it also gives a false picture that anarchy is always the result of extreme situations or radicals using violence. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    It is interesting to note however, that true anarchy can arise out of chaos, if there is no other system imposed upon the people, and the people choose to live without a hierarchical government. But to call it anarchy when people are fighting for survival is wrong because people need to have a basic level of security before they can even consider their political options.

    And when you consider how bogus the government's response was in the N.O. crisis, some people might think it a waste to pay taxes and get virtually no emergency services in such a situation. These people would then be justified in deciding to no longer be a part of such a system and to start their own voluntary groups.

    Survivalists usually have just such a plan in mind amongst themselves should the shit hit the fan like in N.O. And who is to say that some of those gangs roaming the streets in N.O. weren't actually survivalists doing their thing?
     
  16. m6m

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    Don't forget what Bill O'Reiley said about the victims in New Orleans, and he speaks for most.

    Don't be a victim, yet don't let Bill O'Reiley preoccupy you with fear.

    Deal by recognizing that all our lives of repressed fears are only marginal Bill O'Reiley-lives at best.

    I suggest that you continue exploring your social environment with the same piercing yet compassionate eyes you show here on the Forums.

    Explain to your children how repressed fear has molded the condition of our hyper-competitive Primate Sexual Hierarchy.

    Remind them that Woman, exercising her power of Natural Selection, has a persistant influence over Male Social Behavior.

    This may help them develop their own piercing yet compassionate eyes.
     
  17. makno

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    i just love disasters ....
     
  18. mynameiskc

    mynameiskc way to go noogs!

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    yeah, i get the anarchy/chaos difference. there were a few groups working together very well, it's a natural way to go about it. i think the news outlets were calling them "tribes," which suits just fine, i think. but i have to confess that i don't have a lotta faith in human behavior, i really don't. i've gotten the ugly side of them too often and it's made me harsh. i WANT to believe the best in people, but then i've so rarely seen it. it's a huge amount of faith required to make such a change in the large world view, especially since i consider the more ego-centric survivalist mode to be more common.
     
  19. mynameiskc

    mynameiskc way to go noogs!

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    fear is definitely a problem. i've been dealing with the results of my fear-induced rages for a little while now. i'm working on my daughter's life by choosing communities that will in fact allow a more integrated and natural social interaction than the one i was raised in on the navy bases and in Southern California. but i've already come up against the male socialization problems that include allowing their small male children to run rampant and be aggressive with a shrug and a "boys will be boys" smile. my daughter is only 3 and she's terrified of boys. it's so sad. i just don't know what to do about it.
     
  20. skip

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    So in other words women shouldn't fuck conservative assholes, and eventually they'll become extinct... LOL! if only it was that easy!
     
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