san pedro cardio effects

I was wondering if someone could tell me the effects san pedro has on heart rate. please respond.

 

I have used it with little increase in my resting H/R. I am a 6yr survivor of a botched angiogram followed by a triple bypass and was left with paradoxical atrial fibrillation from the procedure. I have found benefit from certain cacti and fungi in controlling the A/F and have had nothing worse than a slow day due to lack of sleep. And as good as a complete cessation of my A/F for several weeks. I consider it a medicine.
WR

 

The ephdrine(stimulant) compounds that are also contained in the cactus cause mild blood pressure increase with increase pulse rate. This usually occurs during the second hour after ingestion and fades fairly quickly.(about 10 minutes in my 32 experiences with trichocereus pachanoi). It's nothing to be concerned about unless you have high blood pressure or a heart condition. It's about the same experience that one would have from coffee. Except coffee doesn't contain mescaline.I hope this post helps you.
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Thanks to both of you for the advice. It helps greatly.

 

No problem. The first time I tried San Pedro I thought something terrible was happening when my heart started racing quickly about 2 hours into the trip.I thought perhaps I was going to die of a heart attack or even was having the begginings of a stroke. I never experienced that with LSD or psliocybe mushrooms.So I was very concerned.
It subsided quickly and then the trip took a nice upward turn about 10 or 12 minutes later.This is when the mescaline starts to really kick in with it's effects.
I hope that helps you even more. I hate for somone to have anxiety-filled trip because of the stimulant effect of the cacti.
Now I look forward to that because I know all systems are go so to speak and I have nothing to fear. The first time though I was literally sacred out of my mind.
Enjoy.One of the best highs in my opinion after DMT,psliocybe mushrooms,and LSD.At least you know what you're getting each time.That's a problem I ran into with synthetic hallucinogens .Quality control.

 

Mescaline is sort of like a psychedelic speed, so I'd say you should expect an increase in heart rate. I think it was Shulgin who called it the grandfather of amphetamines, because it's been used by people for so long. Any Shulgin lovers out there who read that too?

 

All of my anxiety revolves around my heart rate, do you think I would have less anxious trip with San pedro/peruvian torch or AYAHUASCA? Also, does anyone know if xanax is safe to use with the MAOI's in AYAHUASCA?

 

absolutely not

 

Absolutely not what?

 

you shouldnt use a benzodiazepine with an MAO inhibitor.

 

Absolutely,nor should you take a MAO inhibitor drug with San Pedro.The outcome could be unpredictable. It could make the trip much too intense and you might become psychotic temporarily.There are several alkaloids which are MAO inhibitors within the flesh of the plant already.So if you have a prescribed medication such as Prozac or Zoloft I would not recommend this for consumption nor any medication that is a MAO inhibitor in combination with this plant.

 

For a period of 5 months, I was on Zoloft and I went to peyote meetings and NEVER had a problem. But, I was only on a 5omg dose.

 

I was reffering to San Pedro and the useage MAO inhibitors SucculentFlower.
I've never used peyote before.Do you find it helps with depression SucculentFlower?(maybe I shouldn't assume you have depression)Peyote That is?I'm terminally ill with chronic pain and have found that mescaline in general helps me with my depression.I use San Pedro about once every 2 months for depression matainance.I've never had such a sacred bond with a plant other than cannabis.Which also helps me a great deal with nasuea and pain I deal with daily.If I'm asking too personal of a question then please except my apology in advanced SucculentFlower.

 

thats a pretty nice garden!

i'd never heard of san pedro containing its own mao inhibitors, OR ephedrine as you stated it contains in the first page of this discussion. i'd think the two would be a bad mix. anyway, i've heard of a few good reports with an MAOi+san pedro mixture, so i dunno. i'd expect it would seriously increase the nausea.

 

I think maybe you have SSRI meds such as prozac confused with MAOI see following


Monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs) were the first type of antidepressant in use, dating back to the 1950s. Researchers believe MAOIs relieve depression by preventing the enzyme monoamine oxidase from metabolizing the neurotransmitters norepinephrine (nor-ep-ih-NEF-rin), serotonin (ser-oh-TOE-nin) and dopamine (DOE-puh-mene) in the brain. As a result, these levels remain high in the brain, boosting mood.

Here are the MAOIs that have been specifically approved by the Food and Drug Administration to treat depression, with their generic names followed by available brand names in parentheses:

• Phenelzine (Nardil)
• Tranylcypromine (Parnate)
• Isocarboxazid (Marplan)

would agree with not mixing benzo's with any organic drug that has multiple possible interactions.

 

San Pedro supposedly contains high levels of tyramine. Tyramine is the sole reason for the strict diet that is to be observed when using MAOI's such as syrian rue. According to EROWID, tyramine can be very dangerous when mixed with MAOI's.

 

Wow this was awake up call. Now I know for certain I have congnitive memory problems now.I apologize to all.Prozac(fluoxtine) is a second generation anti depressant, an SSRI. I apologize to all once again.Thank you hippypaul.I think it's time I throw away my associates degree in psychology and biology now.I never thought I would be losing my memory at age 34.I am certain there are MAOI properties in Trichocereus pachonoi though.I'm still looking for the document.I guess that's a moot point though.

 

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=26855
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=2374
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=2375
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=40814
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=20166
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=20443

 

Right on the Tyramine is the problem - But MSOI drugs are rare any more - would still worry about drug - drug interactions

 

good links