C-Section Question

It's going to be difficult to find a midwife in Ohio. There are a few, but because it's not legal, they tend to keep quiet and rely on word of mouth.

Do you live near any Amish or Mennonite women? They often use midwives and know where to find them.

Have you tried any of my suggestions?
may I PM you?

 

I live about 2 hours away from any Amish women,and Im not sure about any mennonite. I answered you PM.

 

The stright truth - paul RN

 

I was in the middle of giving birth-well, towards the end, you could see my baby's head. My OB saw the umbilical cord coming out along with it (prolapsed cord). She jumped on top of me and shoved Virginia back inside of me. I had to have a c-section because she would have died. Her umbilical cord would have been cinched and she would have lost access to blood and oxygen.

Are you saying my daughter wasn't meant to live-I should have just let her die?

 

sug is right, once the cord prolapses, without a crash section the baby, and often the mother, dies. This is NOT "meant to be" if we have the technology to save both! No one causes a cord prolapse with the "wrong mind set." Sometimes, shit just happens. I really HATE blaming the victim for things that are totally beyond one's control.

I've tried EVERY form of "natural" medicine for my severe intractable migraines. Chiro, homeopathy, herbs, faith healing, laying on of hands, crystal therapy, ultrasound therapy, Bach Flower Remedies, accupuncture ect. NO results. The ONLY thing which works for me is to be careful of certain foods (But even when I DO do this it is NO cure) and to take pharmaceuticals. Was my pain "meant to be?" NO, because if it continued I wouldn't be here.

There is medical technology for a reason. Often simple, nonpharmacetucal or natural remedies CAN work, but when they don't there is GOOD Reason people wanted more. People should not suffer intractable pain, babies, who CAN be saved shouldn't die in labor, mothers shouldn't die in labor, people shouldn't die or suffer from CURABLE illnesses simply because "natural cures" don't work for them.

When I see this attitude, I am usually looking at a VERY lucky person who has never really had any life threatening situations in their lives. Once you have looked death in the eye, or been is so much pain that death would be preferable, you tend to be more ECLECTIC about your medical care. I'll use "natural" treatments for self limiting situations, but when someone's life or quality of life is in serious jeopardy, and one or two "natural" cures don't work, I am NOT going to let myself or a member of my family, or one of my clients die or suffer.

 

although I am a big advocat of natural cures, I still highly rely on the diagnostic means, emergency managements and surgery of the "normal" medicine. These things cannot be replaced by holistic means, but they can be integraded. So a mother and child should be saved by all means possible.

 

I couldn't be more offended by this if i tried...
Im glad to know im not as whole and complete as i thought i was...
I have narrow pelvic bones...I spent ages in labor with my first one as well as a good 2 hours pushing only to result in more agony...i woulda cut myself open at that stage ....i was even talked into trying to have a vaginal birth for my second one instead of scheduling a c-section on the advice of my docs...yeah super bad idea...even more misery than the first go around...talk about your worst nightmare come true...I remember balling my fucking eyes out screaming that it was exactly what i didnt want to happen...a repeat of the first go only worse...with my third...i refused to see anyone that wouldnt give me a scheduled c-section...
c-sections are a blessing for women like me..I refuse to see it any other way.
And I do love my body...but i love my babies more..

 

Whoreturtle, I don't want you to think people are jumping on you. You are often an asset to the Forum. But, maybe your words were taken a little personally by many. I KNOW what you meant, that too many sections are not neccesary, but I do agree that, in some situations, they simply are the only recourse, if one and one's baby is to live, and thrive. ALL of us agree that many sections are not needed, but I know few people who beleive that sections are never neccesary. Womyn used to die in childbirth much more often than they do now. (Look at the graveyards in places like Old Boston ect, they are filled with men who had 3 and 4 wives all or most of whom died in childbirth.)

Please, don't take it personally. I think your passionate words were maybe taken the wrong way.

Blessings

 

Hmmm, I have taken a sorta 'quiet stance' on the whole issue as of now. I think it is saddening that humanity has fallen as a whole in consciousness (amount of 'spiritual knowledge' dictates the physical form and being and existence, humans used to be alot taller and bigger) that people are born with pelvis bones not wide enough to handle the birth process itself. That is actually something I thought did not exist (read an article about pygmy wpmen within the congo in africa who give birth easily, and they are all about 4 ft tall, pretty small pelvis!!!!), are you sure you were not just too tense, and the hip bones did not grow enough during pregnancy?

I also come from a line of people who believe differently in one aspect than others that one has the ability to change the body, change the physical form by what some would call a form of constant meditation. Yes, even change bone structure through 'meditation.'

For example, if one read their body and then knew intuitively that for birth, their hips would be too small, they would 'intend' like a command, their body to alter and then, attached to that, would come a line of events which would make that possible.

It all depends on the person, some people are born with the ability to change DNA, others, saddly are not, as like I said, humanity has lost so much consciousness over time and space and form that little remains of that ability, but yet, some are remembering taking back control of themselves, of their body and intending to make 'whole' that which is not whole.

The body is born decayed, scarred and full of toxins and worms, right from the womb. And why is this? The decay, scarring and toxins are carried over from the mother and father, and her mother and father before her and so on and so forth. The body remembers, you might like to say. Every sickness, every disease, cancer (which stem from an overly toxic form and abnormalities within the physical DNA), carries from parent to child over ages, and every memory is on top of one another. So it replays, again and again and again like a broken record.

And every time the body is operated upon, mutilated and cut, even if it saves the persons life, remembers. It remembers the feeling of flesh being torn apart. You may love your body, but previous ancestors may not. They maybe would have had sexual issues (afriad of their sex or sexuality), with constant thoughts and feelings of hatred sent to the hip and gentitals to cause the bones, over time, over series of ancestors, to be not as wide or accomodating, whereas now something so sensous, so beautiful, very sexual is now something to be feared and hated because of the pain caused from the hip, caused by the hated of sexuality.

It is a vicous cycle indeed, but one that can be worked out of if one has the ability. There are other examples I could have given as to why your hip wopuld be not wide enough but I am not you and don't have permission to read your body. I am simple stating what could be, that is all.

I always advocate love for the perfect healer, love is chi, energy, consciousness and without consciousness, one falls prey to rejection (the body rejecting oneself). Return the love, to all parts of self, body and soul and pain and decay will fall become a meory itself.

Namaste
Francine

(sorry, I didn't keep my quiet stance, I figured I might as well explain myself as best as possible instead of keeping quiet)

 

Well, when you are faced with a life or death situation with YOUR unborn child, you let us know how the love healing goes.

 

I think people should get all the advice they can gather then make their decision. There is no question that C-sections can save lives. There is also no question that C-sections are done for the docs benefit at times - always nice to schedule your work. Nevertheless, as much as I hate most docs they are the only ones who can order tests and do surgical procedures so you have to have them. I think there is a lot of caring and good advice on this post, you just to pick out what works for you. However, if your doc cannot give you a good reason - in words you can understand - for everything he wants to do - get another doc.

 

FYI- I am almost 6 ft tall (5'9) and to look at me you would think I have perfect wide hips for childbirth..lol...but alas it wasnt meant to be..not for lack of trying...I tried to have my second vaginally just to make sure that the doc's werent feeding me bullshit only to find that INDEED I cant seem to get a kid thru my pelvic region...you can chalk it up to me being tense or my hip bones not growing (growing bones?hhmmm) but I tend to disagree...
I find yer comments quite judgemental and extremely idealistic. It's extremely disturbing that you cannot even make allowances for people with an actual need for a c-section. Women these days are, without a doubt, given c-sections way too often when there isnt an honest medical need...(britney spears is one blatant example) and those women who cant have vaginal births are made to feel like there is something wrong with them...I refuse to believe there is anything wrong with me nor am i any less of a woman cuz i couldnt have a vaginal birth...
but...different strokes for different folks...

Amen to that..

 

I think this is an incredibley intimate subject, and if soneone wants to have a C-section, as opposed to a vag birth, then that's their business. It's not grounds for someone to attack them and basically insult their intelligence. Mind your own business and leave people alone. Especially when it comes to the way they choose to bring their child into the world. You're not better than anyone else just because you can give birth without medical intervention. There are far better things to pick a fight over. Namaste!

 

Thanks, supermommy. Like I said, my baby almost died during childbirth-I had pretty much gone through delivery-we saw the head, but the doctor had to shove her back inside of me. I know full and well that I can deliver a baby-did it before! It was just one of those freak incidents that happen. I wouldn't trade all the pain and agony and scarring in the world for my sweet daughter.


Being a mother means you sacrifice your body, health, and life for your child.

 

yeah, we've apparently fallen so far in this world that the death during pregnancy and delivery has increased dramatically....oh wait! that's wrong! it's fallen off. in the past i woulda just been another statistic.

 

Yeah, screw that surgeon who saved my baby's life when she almost died in delivery!! What was she thinking? Darn baby-savin' lunatic!


That was sarcasm.

Thank goodness that doctor was there. Do you know how many women and children didn't survive childbirth before surgery was an option? A lot. I've heard that as many as one in four births may have resulted in the death of one, the other, or both.

 

I don't want to get totally OT here, but that is such a naiive statement. It's easy to believe that until YOU have a serious health problem that's not your fault. As a person with incurable epilepsy that started when I was an infant, and as the mother of an epileptic child, I find that attitude ignorant and offensive.

The position of this baby is in no way the mother's fault. She should not blame herself. Any anxieties or concerns that she may have about this birth, which is natural, are not the cause of this baby's position in her womb.

Are you suggesting that the baby is worried about the birth and therefor doesn't turn because it's nervous? If so...back away from the bong.

 

Yes, do keep us posted.

 

No, I was NOT "tense." I have a pelvic DEFORMITY, which is called an ANDROID PELVIS, and it has nothing to do with my body size, but the way my pelvis grew during childhood. I actually had the chance to talk to Ina May Gaskin, in person, at one point, and she said that if I had come to her as a client, she would probably have sent me immediately to a high risk OB. Android pelvises were more common years ago, when people had more poor nutrition, and are common in areas where womyn are not properly nourished in childhood, as well as being sometimes genetic, and cause many many mother infant deaths, and they still occur. I would think that anyone who has researched childbirth in detail would have heard of this situation.

Actually, mine was diagnosed when I was about 28 weeks pregnant, and the doc said, "Hmm, it's a little tight, but often the pelvis can open well enough to let the baby out. So let's not worry about it too much." Which is WHY I labored with my first and second child. SOME womyn with Android pelvi can and do deliver vaginally, but I was not as lucky. My OB said there was always a chance, but after two VERY long labors, it was determiend that "it wasn't meant to be." I would have been one of those womyn who died in childbirth, OR had a Craniotomy Hook used to kill my baby in order to save MY life. Ever see a crainitomy hook? They were in VERY common usage before C sections were used. Basically, it punctures the infant's head, so that it can be delivered and maybe, just maybe, save the mother. The baby NEVER survives.

Go to an old grave yard (anything before about 1930 will do) and you will see an amazing number of womyn dead in child birth and even more dead babies.