communism

Discussion in 'The Whiners' started by Jennyflower, Jun 30, 2004.

  1. Paz

    Paz Member

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    you also have to consider all the crap that happened to russia, all the wars and different times they got attacked...and how the US was constantly fighting with them.
     
  2. lunatic_on_the_grass

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    communism, well.... i would say that yes i am communist! I totaly agree with the fact that in theory it is good, but when put out, not so good. Humans are naturally power hungery, and this type of government would never work. But even saying government is not right, as it is a way of life, and being a communist government is a complete contradiction. How can it work is everyone is equal and you still have government. What i say is that we buy some land and put an add up to call communists, this way nobody would oppose and it might just work out. so who wants to come live in a totaly communist area with me?
     
  3. Orsino2

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    Communist Whores!!! They're All Lies!!! Lies!!!! Why Do They Pull At My Throat!!!
     
  4. cookiecache

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    I think China is the best example of communist success. The natural drive to improve ones self forced the government to allow capitist activity. In the last 25 years, China haas gone from a struggling, poor nation to a rich world power. Russia on the other hand, failed because Reagen forced them into bankruptcy by funding small forces fighting in the middle east. That's back when we gave money to the Taliban (sp?). Now we are being driven into the same situation by the "terrorist".

    The point is: Success does not depend on the type of government, but the support of the people.
     
  5. blindhobosam

    blindhobosam The Legend

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    if everyone wasn't a bastard we'd be able to share everything and everyone would be able to do a lot more, we restrict ourselves so much with our rules and regulations...it's crazy
     
  6. make art not war

    make art not war Member

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    I'm with communism and capitalism...but if you think about it capitalism is communism in disguise. Even though we are supposedly free in this country the presidents don't give us a choice if we want to go to war or not, and that's worse than what amount of money we get, and what job we get. It's better having a poor job than dying in a war
     
  7. make art not war

    make art not war Member

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    Maybe if communism, capitalism, fascism, socialism, racism, and all the other isms were to be destroyed the world would be a much better place to live in. Not having to do whatever someone says, and just being free. I know that the song "Imagine" is an ode to the perfect world. But me and my friend think that it was a tribute to communism, because communism is always being put down because of dictators, but that is only because people are too power hungry and when they get the power they want they take advantage of their authority, and everything ends up in shit, for example Cuba, but that's just my opinion, if you want to say innapropriate things to me like fag, dick, or idiot, I don't wanna hear it. Tell it to someone who cares.
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  8. make art not war

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    agree 100% man
     
  9. Piney

    Piney Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Cuba is a terrible place to live. The Cuban State maintains a powerful cohercve security apparatus. There is no freedon to say: open a restaurant or gallery or to own your own home. People leave there all the time for a better opportunity.
     
  10. Mui

    Mui Senior Member

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    "the natural drive to improve one self" argument is completely bs. You can improve yourself in both a capitalist and communist country... Capitalism just allows you to profit off of other peoples labor. China adopted capitalism in only their largest cities because they recognized it'd be better for the economy in those larger cities... you cant be capitalist and communist at the same time... its just further proof that china never had intentions of setting up a communist government, and only talked of communism to gain the poor workers trust only to shit on them. China isnt an example of communism at all.

    the USSR failed for many reasons, not just because of Reagen.... the biggest reason of course is the rise of stalin... when the people got rid of Lenin only to exchange him with a man that is in no way better than him... the turning point was when the USSR joined the war.... t he people got pissed at lenin, and stalin was put in power. what caused Lenin to go to war (which he previously said he'd never do).... american money, of course... n ot just for him but for his country.
     
  11. make art not war

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    that's what i mean...cuba is controlled by a fascist
     
  12. Mui

    Mui Senior Member

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    according to communism Castro should have gaven his power up long ago, which he never did... its just another dictatorship that caters to whatever the fuck castro is thinking.
     
  13. SpliffVortex

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    The eastern world it tis explodin',
    violence flarin', bullets loadin',
    you're old enough to kill but not for votin',
    you don't believe in war, what's that gun you're totin',
    and even the Jordan river has bodies floatin',
    but you tell me over and over and over again my friend,
    ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

    Don't you understand, what I'm trying to say?
    Can't you see the fear that I'm feeling today?
    If the button is pushed, there's no running away,
    There'll be noone to save with the world in a grave,
    take a look around you, boy, it's bound to scare you, boy,
    but you tell me over and over and over again my friend,
    ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

    Yeah, my blood's so mad, feels like coagulatin',
    I'm sittin' here, just contemplatin',
    I can't twist the truth, it knows no regulation,
    handful of Senators don't pass legislation,
    and marches alone can't bring integration,
    when human respect is disintegratin',
    this whole crazy world is just too frustratin',
    and you tell me over and over and over again my friend,
    ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

    Think of all the hate there is in Red China!
    Tehn take a look around to Selma, Alabama!
    Ah, you may leave here, for four days in space,
    but when your eturn, it's the same old place,
    the poundin' of the drums, th pride and disgrace,
    you can bury your dead, but don't leave a trace,
    hate your next-door-neighbour, but don't forget to say grace,
    and you tell me over and over and over and over again my friend,
    ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

     
  14. canadian_boy

    canadian_boy Brohn Zmith

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    the ideals of communism were the better but the application of these concepts sucked totally and made some bullshit . So i guess capitalism is the less worse system.
     
  15. Mr Mojo Risin'

    Mr Mojo Risin' How are you 'now'?

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    Communism has far more potential than capitalism that's is for sure, capitalism doesn't work and never will, socialism is the only way to true democracy though... Communism has always led to abuse of power and dictatorship by the state, capitialism is about being dictated to by the rich, much the same in many respects. What you need is a socialism where no-one holds power based on wealth, everyone must be accountable to each other and every employee of a company must be entitled to there say in the runnng and managing of that producer. Produce is about need, not money, we currently produce in order to make money, so we produce things of no use and sell them though whatever means possible, permanently influencing one another to needlessly buy so we are better off... it's all completely insane.

    Click on my banana below for a cause to support that will help us all move on from this ridiculous state of affairs that we have inherited from our ancestors.
     
  16. make art not war

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    I agree totally
     
  17. Bassist

    Bassist Gate crasher!

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    The big problem with communism is that it's completely naive about human nature.
     
  18. _chris_

    _chris_ Marxist

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    people get communism and stalinism too easily mixed up. too many people think that communism goes hand in hand with revolution. That is why many commies now go under the name of marxism. In russia, too much power was given to the communist party, which was a mistake and caused stalins rise to ultimate power. Many people say it cant work, but now we have a working model. Venezuala. They are fast on their way to their own democratic version of communism with chavez at the front and a happy working populus. The nationalised oil industry is doing well and venezuala have increasing wealth, which is being spread out among the people. It took no revolution for chavez to get in. It took a ballot. The whole venzualan sysytem works better, with recall and nationalisatuion, and if people based their "communism" on that, then sure, it would work.
     
  19. alice_d_millionaire

    alice_d_millionaire Just Do It©

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    straight up man... viva la revolucion, siempre.
     
  20. blindhobosam

    blindhobosam The Legend

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    it's funny because everyone i know says that 'everyone gets real communism mixed up with stalinism' or something along those lines. oh, also you get 'communism would work if people weren't greedy'.

    Get it into your heads everyone; everyone knows the difference, and everyone's greedy. it won't fucking work so get over it and make up your own ideas.


    :) Good Morning.
     

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