hare krishna

From SvgGrdnBeauty:

"Kumar! It makes me smile to see that you have come back to this thread...I, and I'm sure many of the others, have missed your kind words and beautiful insight....

I agree...we should see the good in others...and we cannot say that there isn't because if we are all a part of Krsna than we are all good...its just a matter of whether or not we chose to accept this and live up to what we really are..."

Dear SvgGrdnBeauty,

My dear beautiful mind and soul, thank you so much for your kind words !

How can I not be a part of such a beautiful 'thread' where all enlightened souls like you, YogaLady,Sleeping Jiva,ChiefCowPie,BBB,Jaganathadasa and Rama Nityananda Dasa are contributing ?

And dear, how can I not take part where people are talking about Krishna, Christ,Chaitanya,Nityananda, Srila Prabhupad,Saraswatisiddhanta maharaj, Vishnujana, and so many others ? Knowing about the devotees is no less than knowing about the Lord. I am thankful to all for their rich contributions.

How nicely you have summed up everything just by saying "If we are all a part of Krishna then we are all good". So easily you have realized this. His reflections are easily seen in simple minds.

Just another point, there is definitely nothing wrong if you meet Ma Amritanandamoyee.
You can only gain. ChiefCowPie is a blessed soul to have her as his Guru. I am sure, when you meet her you will feel the bliss of tasting nectar. Her name implies that.

With love and prayers...............Kumar.

 

thank you gdkumar for your kind words and insights

and i posted this earlier and i wanted to post it again as tears well up in my eyes everytime i read this and think about it as Prabhupada's heart overflows with love at the departure of his dear disciple, Visnujana Swami

Srila Prabhupada was sitting in his new quarters in Bombay when Tamal Krsna Maharaja entered. He began to tell Srila Prabhupada about the disappearance of Visnujana Maharaja. TKG said that Visnujana had not applied for a new passport to leave India and he was sure the 'white sanyasi' that the sadhus who went to the Delhi temple, talked about was Visnujana Maharaja. At this point Srila Prabhupada appeared to weep. He turned his head and gazed out the window. He said, "He did not have to do that". TKG asked if Srila Prabhupada knew where Visnujana was. Srila Prabhupada said, "Visnujana was very advanced; he's still chanting Hare Krishna. He's very advanced"! It was obvious that Srila Prabhupada did not want to talk about it anymore as he tearfully gazed out the window. About two weeks later Srila Prabhupada told us that Visnujana was chanting to him in his dreams. (Just like Chota Haridas who chanted for Lord Chaitanya.)

 

Dear Cheifcowpie...

Thank you for the information. I would like to check it out but unfortunetely I cannot drive to NYC by myself...I am still new to driving on the parkway but driving on the turnpike is even scarier...and I'm afraid my mother would never let me...both because it would be going to NYC myself and also because she doesn't really know nor would she quite understand about my interest in Krsna...she doesn't even really know that I've started being a vegitarian...but thank you for thinking of me nonetheless...

 

But isn't it that regardless of whether people are Krsna conscious or not we should love them...its part of loving Krsna...because I was under the impression that He is in all of us...that is why you are supposed to respect others' lives...if they do not find Krsna in this life maybe they will later or in another, does that justify not being kind to them now...

Maybe I missed your point...but I was under the impression that that's how it works...then again I could be wrong...as I had told you before Bhagavad-Gita As It Is is one of the most challenging things I've ever read...but that's the impression I'm getting from it so far...

 

sure. A devotee is kind to everyone, cuz he's fullfilled. he doesn't feel any jealousy, he's fully absorbed in Krishna. I'm just saying that sometimes you're good to people by lying to them. That's egotistical, cuz you don't want be looked upon as the bad guy, so you rather say: yes, you're right. That's like helping others in their egotism. What is the help there? You can see the example on Prabhupada, he didn't compromise cuz he could win some temporal favor from people, he told them -you're living in maya, because of this and this and this. That's hard to listen to, but it's the truth. I'm totally ignorant, I just try to spread what I've read in Prabhupada's books. This is not my opinion.

 

Srila Prabhupada writes:

"According to social conventions, it is said that one can speak the truth only when it is palatable to others. But that is not truthfulness. The truth should be spoken in a straightforward way, so that others will understand actually what the facts are. If a man is a thief and if people are warned that he is a thief, that is truth. Although sometimes the truth is unpalatable, one should not refrain from speaking it.” (Bhagavad-gita As It Is, 10.4-5, purport)

 

There was a hill named Trikuta. It was famed for its beauty and was surrounded on all sides by an ocean of milk. The creepers which grew on the hill were incandescent like gold and silver and the quarters would glow because of the light from the hill. It was a hundred yojanas in extent. Conchs were there in plenty and precious stones as well. From a height, the earth, dark in colour, the sea white and milky and the hill green in colour with the trees and shrubs and creepers together gave the effect of an emerald set in silver. It was a beautiful hill. Wild animals were there and sweet music from the nests of birds would mingle with the roar of lions and tigers that lived in the caves. The fragrance of the air which had been perfumed by the many sweet-scented flowers would draw divine beings to spend their time there. It became the playground of many of the divine beings. Siddhas, Charanas and Gandharvas would go there very often and spend their time in the caves and valleys which glowed with the lustre of the many precious gems embedded in the rocks.

In that hill was a garden named Rituman. It was crowded with flowering trees of every kind:--- Mandara, Parijata, Ashoka, Champaka, Chuta, and fruit trees like pomegranate and mango. There were tall trees which touched the skies, Devadaru and Sala trees. The garden belonged to Varuna. There was also a beautiful lake in that hill. It was a very large lake and on its face floated blue, white and red lotuses. The makaranda from them was so profuse that there could always be heard the humming of summer bees which were hovering around the flowers. Water birds like the crane and the swan were always found there and the fish and the tortoises inside the water could be seen clearly since the water was so pellucid. The banks of the lake had flowering shrubs like the jasmine, the kunda and the jaji: punnaga, and Kuravaka and the creeper Madhavi. The scent there was so overpowering that one felt faint.

In that hill dwelt an immense elephant with his entire herd. He would wander at will and his herd would always be with him. His favourite pastime was to uproot the bamboo groves. The tender sprouts from the canes were the favourite food of the elephants and they would wander at will in the forest. The elephant was so wild and so powerful that even wild animals like the lion and tiger and wild boar and bulls would run from the spot where the elephant stood.
Once during summer, after a long march with his companions, the elephant was feeling very tired and extremely thirsty. From a distance he smelled the perfume which was part of the lake and he went fast towards the lake. His herd came with him and soon they reached the lake and entered it. It was refreshing to bathe in the lake and to drink the sweet water. Once their thirst was quenched they did not feel like coming out of the lake. They spent a long time playing in the clear water and making it muddy and full of mire. The master elephant would take water in his trunk and pour it over the backs of the small ones and the she-elephants. Like a man absorbed in the pleasures of Samsara takes no heed of the fact that his life is getting shorter day by day, the elephant paid no heed to the passage of time. All unaware of the danger lurking in the waters he went on playing, like a samsari who does not see that it is a trap to catch him and bind him for ever.

Instigated by Fate, a crocodile which had been living in the lake for a long time grasped the leg of the elephant in its mighty jaws. The unexpected pain made the elephant wince and he tried to shake off the crocodile. But it was not possible. Try as he might, the elephant found it impossible to get out of the clutches of the crocodile. His companions tried to help him but it was all in vain. The grip of the crocodile was too strong and the elephant, strong as he was, was not strong enough to shake off the crocodile. The tussle went on for a long time, for years. Even the devas were present to see this mighty duel between the lord of the forest and the king of the rivers. Slowly but very steadily the strength of the elephant was ebbing away. The crocodile was winning; he found himself growing stronger and more powerful. The elephant finally realised that it was, for him, a losing fight and that soon his life would also leave his body. At that moment he began to see everything in the proper perspective. He pondered for a long while and told himself: "I am in great trouble and these, my dependants are unable to extricate me from my predicament. I have realised that no one can help me now in this dire calamity which has befallen me. But still, I have one hope. I can surrender to the Lord who is the refuge of even gods like Brahma. He is sure to protect me from the dread serpent called Yama who is trying to frighten me. If He is with me, death himself will flee from me since he is afraid of the Lord. I will pray to the Lord."

 

He composed his mind and his thoughts, and set them steadily on Narayana and began his song of praise. He said:
"Salutations to you, Lord of lords.You are the Ancient; the Purusha and the Prakriti born of Purusha. You are the light which illumines the intellect of humans. This entire universe is established in you. It was born of you and it has no existence apart from you. After creating it, you, at the time of the deluge, withdraw it into yourself. You are the light beyond the sources of all light. "You stand at the edge of the sea of darkness, of Tamas which is all that is found at the end of Pralaya and you bring new life into the new creation which is born of the old. The cycle is unending and you are the cause behind the cosmos. It is to have a vision of you that rishis spend millions of years absorbed in meditation. You have no birth: no Karma to perform: no names nor any qualities to distinguish you from the others. And yet out of your Maya you create forms for yourself and these have names and qualities ascribed to them. "The formlessness of you is forgotten by those who see you take up a form for the good of the world. You are beyond the reach of the senses, the mind, the emotions, the intellect. Still though you are beyond comprehension there are some who have realised you by becoming one with you. "You are the seer, the Drastha, for the functioning of the Indriyas and their different individual behaviour. You are the cause of everything but nothing has caused you since you are Ancient: eternal: everlasting: without a beginning and so, without an end. There is no limit to you since you are Infinite. "You are unaffected by the gunas and their interplay and, as a result, those who succumb to the Maya caused by the gunas are not able realise the truth about you. Even as the glow from the sun and the fire erupt from it, glow for a while and are lost in the source itself, even so, your glory emanates from you. This stream of gunas, this mind, intellect, senses, and the bodies which enjoy these are all born out of you: and in the end are again lost only in you. They have no seperate entity. Famed as you are to be beyond the gunas, still,you have been known to be the personification of compassion as far as beings like me are concerned: beings who surrender themselves entirely to you are sure to be cured of their ignorance, their Avidya and will be made to have a vision of the Truth that is you. "This birth of mine which is full of Avidya inside as well as outside, this elephant's form and mind is of no use to me. I have no desire to live anymore. I want that Moksha which will not be destroyed by the passage of time. Punya which is acquired is rewarded by a length of time in heaven. When that Punya gets exhausted man is again thrown back to the world of sin. I want a Moksha different from this. I want to be cured of Avidya. I am a Mumukshu and I salute you who is the cause of this Universe: who pervades everything: and yet, who is apart from all that you have created: who is the Ultimate Truth. Yogis see you in their hearts since their Karmas and the results of their Karmas have all been burned in the flame of self-knowledge. The greatness that is you is hidden from foolish beings like me because our thinking is clouded by the sense of "I" and "MINE" I surrender myself to that Infinite Power, Truth, Light that is you. The devas and Brahma and all the others were listening to the words of the elephant. The praise was for the Purusha and each one them knew that he was not fit for the words of praise which were used by the animal. Narayana was touched by the plight of the elephant and assuming the form Hari, appeared before him on the shores of the lake. Garuda was carrying Him. In his hand glowed the Sudarshana Chakra. Looking on him the elephant raised his trunk which held a lotus and said: "Lord! Narayana! I salute you." Narayana was overcome with compassion for the poor elephant and his plight. He entered the lake, killed the crocodile with His Sudarshana and pulled the elephant out of the lake. To the leg of the elephant was still clinging the dead form of the crocodile with its mouth gaping open. All the denizens of the heavens were watching in awe. They stood around the Lord and the elephant, exhausted by the fight which had lasted all these years, was standing with its trunk still raised aloft. With infinite love the Lord accepted the lotus which was held in the trunk and the elephant was happy.

GLOSSARY:
Avidya: Spiritual ignorance. Because of one's Avidya one does not realise the Truth about the Brahman which alone exists.
Drastha: A seer: one who sees mentally
Indriya: An organ of sense
Karma: Action, work, deed. Fate, the certain consequence of acts done in a former life
Maha Pralaya: The Great Dissolution --the total annihilation of the Universe at the end of the life of Brahma when all the worlds with their inhabitants, the gods, saints,- including Brahma himself are all annihilated.
Maya: In Vedantic philosophy, it is unreality: the illusion by virtue of which one considers the unreal Universe as really existent and, as distinct fron the Supreme Spirit
Moksha: Final emancipation, deliverance of the soul from recurring births and transmigration: the last of the four ends of human existence: Dharma, Artha, Kama and Moksha
Mumukshu: One who desires Mukti(Liberation)
Punya: Good work, meritorious act.
Purusha: The Supreme Being: the Soul of the Universe
Tamas: Literally, darkness. In Vedanta, it is one of the three qualities or constituents of everything in nature, the other two being Sattva and Rajas

 

Good story. Thank you.

 

Nicole. I just wanted to tell, how happy I am you decided to become a vegetarian. It's freaking hard in this society, which soaked up in this habit of ignorance. Whatever the pressure will be, don't get turned off, even if you won't make it. Hope the recipes I gave you will do some good. I'm willing to help you as well as to anybody else with vegetarian cooking, which is way more delicious and tasty than meat foods.

 

If I didn't decide it consciously...my subconscious certainly did... about a week or so after I really started to read that book...every time I saw meat I would get physically sick to my stomach...my mom asked me to help her cook and I couldn't even stay in the kitchen...I'm telling you it was the weirdest thing...

...yes I know what you mean about it being hard in society...my parents don't know...I just keep saying that I don't feel like having whatever or I eat the other things they are serving...eventually I will tell them...but I'm not quite ready...I don't expect them to do what I'm doing...I would never make them but I made the decsion and that is that...

Also, thank you for that website...the things on it were very interesting

 

no problem. you just need to say your parents the facts(they don't need to be devotees to understand these):

1. there is more protein in beans and nuts
2. animal slaughter house is one of the most serious ecological problems (there is huge air& water pollution going on. Also world hunger is the consequence of that too. For a vegetarian you need way less grain than for a meat-eater -cuz the animals need to be fed )
3. our testines are too long comparing the testines of lion, or other carnivores.
(meat starts to rot before it leaves body). our stomach acids are not as stronger as carnivorous animals'.) Even our teeth are shaped more like cow's.
4. animals suffer tremendously. Every meat you eat is most likely to be from tortured animal. this suffering is unethical. They feel pain as people do.
5. meat-eating is a huge factor of cancer, heart-diseases
6. there are alternatives (it's even cheaper!)
7.pre-historic people were mostly vegetarians. If they used meat, they use it as a sauce to eat with their grains, vegetables, not vice versa. This has been proven by archeology.
I guess I forgot something, but seriously if they listen to you, they can't say I don't understand why you became vegetarian. Your method of not-attacking is very wise. We need to respect their free choice. There's no good to do the same as they do (well, not yr.parents but uninformed people): mockery, playing on their guilt, converting them by force -no. In my opinion, the best thing is to go by example. But you know that, you're very wise. I can't smell or watch at meat either -I just can't see nothing than dead animals. I remember I stopped eating meat while reading Bhagavadgita As IT Is for the first time too. It's Krishna's power I guess. I haven't found anything more influential than Prabhupada's books in this world yet. It's truly a miracle from a certain point of view.

 

In a recently translated conversation Narayana Maharaja's followers claim Srila Prabhupada personally ordered Narayana Maharaja to give spiritual guidance to his disciples and followers, and that he wants his disciples and followers to accept that guidance. We will show, Srila Prabhupada does not say anything of the kind, and far from the conversation being any sort of Final Order from Srila Prabhupada, it is actually only a FALSE Order from the IRM Adridharan das (03-08-01)

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Recently the English translation of an undated Bengali conversation held between Srila Prabhupada and Narayana Maharaja (NM) has been widely circulated on the internet by the followers of NM, with the translation also provided by the NM camp. The conversation is supposed to have occurred sometime during October-November 1977, and is titled by NM's followers as being:

"Prabhupada's Final Order: On Iskcon and Srila Narayana Maharaja"

They claim the conversation presents a 'Final Order' from Srila Prabhupada in which he:

"has personally ordered Srila Narayana Maharaja to give spiritual guidance to his disciples and followers, and that he wants his disciples and followers to accept that guidance."

As we will now show, Srila Prabhupada does not actually say anything of the kind, and far from the conversation being any sort of 'Final Order' from Srila Prabhupada, it is actually only a FALSE Order from the Gaudiya Matha group, who in their desperation to divert devotees away from Srila Prabhupada, are presenting things which are not there. We will print below the relevant portion of the transcript presented by the NM group as being the 'evidence' for their claim and see what it really says. (We are, of course, here relying on the accuracy of the translation from the followers of NM, which could also be incorrect.)

First we reproduce the phrase which the NM group has highlighted in capitals as being the evidence for their claim (they have only claimed this one phrase as the evidence for their claim, and thus this is all we need to deal with):

"[Srila Prabhupada]: YOU KINDLY INSTRUCT THEM ON THIS MATTER."

Now this above sentence was definitely spoken by Srila Prabhupada to NM. Thus the issues are:

a) WHO was the 'THEM' that NM was to give this instruction to?

b) WHAT was the 'MATTER' on which Srila Prabhupada wanted NM to give instruction?

c) WHEN was this instruction to be given?

Obviously without the answers to these questions, one cannot claim anything about what Srila Prabhupada is saying. And to find the answers to these questions, we obviously need to read the text before and after the phrase in question to understand the context. The full portion therefore is:

[Srila Prabhupada]: Are any of my god-brothers in Vrindavana now?
[Narayana Maharaja]: Yes. [Srila Prabhupada]: Who?
[Narayana Maharaja]: Van Maharaja might be there, as well as Indupati Prabhu from Caitanya Gaudiya Matha.
[Srila Prabhupada]: Any more?
[Narayana Maharaja]: Only these two at the moment.
[Srila Prabhupada]: Who is Indupati?
[Narayana Maharaja]: Indupati. He comes here often.
[Bhakticaru Swami]: From Madhava Maharaja's matha?
[Narayana Maharaja]: Yes. No one else is here.
[Srila Prabhupada]: Please call both of THEM. Van Maharaja and him.
[Narayana Maharaja]: This is very good proposal by you.
[Srila Prabhupada]: Please sit down. They will call THEM.
[Narayana Maharaja]: All right.
[Srila Prabhupada]: This cutting of arguments happens sometimes...
[Narayana Maharaja]: These are insignificant matters in such a substantial worldwide mission. A little something here and there is of no consequence. You have done this wonderful preaching work for the benefit of the whole world. There was no self-interest. You did everything only in devotional service to Krsna - for benefiting all people at large.
[Srila Prabhupada]: It is all by your blessings.
[Narayana Maharaja]: You have done a wonderful thing. It is necessary to care for and preserve this mission, and see that it is managed skilfully.
[Srila Prabhupada]: YOU KINDLY INSTRUCT THEM ON THIS MATTER. I'm unable to speak.

1) It is very clear that the 'THEM' refers to Srila Prabhupada's Godbrothers who were to arrive shortly, for they are referred to as 'THEM' *TWICE* in the *IMMEDIATELY* preceding conversation - please see the highlighted text above. Thus, Srila Prabhupada is actually asking NM to instruct THEM - his *Godbrothers* - who will arrive shortly.

2) And what is it that he is to instruct them on? That is clear from what NM has just said before Srila Prabhupada asks him to "instruct them" - that any "cutting of the arguments" that Srila Prabhupada may have done in relation to his Godbrothers should not be taken seriously, because in a worldwide preaching mission this is insignificant, and part of caring for and preserving the mission. Srila Prabhupada had referred even earlier in the conversation to "this cutting of arguments":

[Srila Prabhupada]: I wish that my god-brothers forgive my offences...While preaching, many times we do say things contrary to each other, or we cut each other's philosophical arguments. That happens. Please ask my god-brothers to forgive my offences.(inaudible)
[Srila Narayana Maharaja]: All right.

Thus we can see that how Srila Prabhupada is again now asking Narayana Maharaja to speak to his Godbrothers regarding Srila Prabhupada's "cutting of their arguments", and to explain how this can happen in preaching, since NM has himself now echoed the earlier words of Srila Prabhupada that "while preaching" these things "happen".

3) And when was this instruction to be given? There and then, *and then only*. The proof for this is that immediately after NM is asked by Srila Prabhupada to give instruction, Srila Prabhupada immediately states: "I'm unable to speak" - and that's why he is asking NM to make these points to his godbrothers on his behalf.

[Srila Prabhupada]: YOU KINDLY INSTRUCT THEM ON THIS MATTER. I'M UNABLE TO SPEAK

The above points are established simply from reading the preceding conversation, and are proven from the translation of the rest of the conversation provided by the followers of NM themselves! Each of the 3 points ALONE defeats the assertion that Srila Prabhupada was giving an order to NM to instruct his disciples continuously in the future. And putting all of the 3 points together makes the conclusion crystal clear:

That far from being an instruction to NM to continually instruct his (Srila Prabhupada's) disciples about spiritual life 20 years later, the sentence in question is actually a request to NM to instruct Srila Prabhupada's *Godbrothers* to not mind Srila Prabhupada "cutting" their arguments, because Srila Prabhupada at the time was weak and "unable to speak".

Narayana Maharaja's Final Order
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However, it is significant that the followers of NM have conceded that statements made in this conversation can be seen as 'Final Orders'. Due to the timing of the conversation, which was in Srila Prabhupada's Final days, the followers of NM are happy to accept that statements made in this conversation have a nature of finality about them. Thus they have labelled Srila Prabhupada's statements in this conversation as being:

"Prabhupada's Final Order: On ISKCON and Narayana Maharaja"

(even though as we have seen above, they weren't!)

We are glad, however, that they have conceded this point, for in the same conversation later on NM himself makes some very important and instructive statements. Thus we are also justified and happy in calling these statements from Narayana Maharaja as being:

*** "Narayana Maharaja's Final Order: On ISKCON and Srila Prabhupada" ***

We reproduce them below:

[Narayana Maharaja] All of your duties are completed. You have fulfilled everything in your lifetime. There is no need to worry for anything. Only remember the lotus feet of Sri Radha-Krsna.
[Srila Prabhupada]: By Their blessings only.
[Narayana Maharaja]: Yes, you have done everything. Nothing is left unfinished.

Please carefully note the words - 'EVERYTHING' (mentioned twice), 'ANYTHING' and 'NOTHING'.

And also please note that here NM definitely IS talking about Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON (unlike the false dawn heralded by the followers of NM regarding the statements of Srila Prabhupada, as seen above). Thus there is no room for doubt. NM is very clear and final here. Everything has been completed by Srila Prabhupada, and there is nothing is left to finish in regards to his ISKCON mission. Srila Prabhupada was able to complete everything in his lifetime. He did not run out of time.

 

*** This is Narayana Maharaja's Final Order regarding Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON. ***

From this statement of NM, it is clear that if someone came preaching many years later that 'Swamiji' had NOT completed everything, that 'Swamiji' had ran out of time, that his mission was still unfulfilled, that this person should be consulted on how best to complete Srila Prabhupada's mission - then I am sure that NM would be the first personality to blast such a false prophet of doom! Unfortunately, there *is* such a person who is now making these very claims, in direct contradiction to the clear and instructive Final Order of NM above. We reproduce some extracts below:

"Here, one thing is that ultimately bhakti is only uttama-bhakti. He wanted to preach all of these things in the western countries also - that which Rupa Goswami has given in the Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu and the Ujjvala-nilamani, and that which has been written by acaryas like Raghunath das Goswami and Krishna das Kaviraja Goswami. He wanted to give all these things in western countries, BUT HE COULD NOT DO IT. HE HAD SO LITTLE TIME." (Lecture given on the disappearance day of Srila Prabhupada, 10th November, 1992)

"But why he did? Because worldly persons, general persons, those who are not rasika vaisnavas, they don't know tattva, they have not gone to association with any vaisnava, they think that this is a very good thing. To preach whole world the name of Krishna...and to give Gita Sandesh...is the very good thing. This was done by...you should know. So I want to say that your Prabhupada has given these things...ONLY THESE THINGS...AND NOT BEYOND THESE THINGS. Then he was only the servant of Mahavisnu, not of Krishna. A strange thing...fact...but for them who are ignorant."

"But to dig and to sweep is not everything. To dig for basement of this big temple is not everything. So Swamiji has at first cleared the atmosphere. Prepared the ground...by preaching name and the sandesh of Gita...he prepared. So very important work ... so he has done this task and it was so necessary for that world...for all world...he has done BUT HE HAS NOT DONE EVERYTHING BY DOING THAT. IT WAS ONLY BASEMENT.

And I think if he was alive ...for most one or two more years more...he would completed Srimad Bhagavatam...he would completed Ujjvala. Nilamani. Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu, Vidagdha Madhava which are necessary to know Caitanya Mahaprabhu...rasa, rasika and rasika sekhara. But...we are deprived of that...HE COULD NOT COMPLETED HIS WORK"
(Lecture given on September 19th, 1994)

It is clear therefore that these statements are in complete contradiction to the profound Final Order on ISKCON and Srila Prabhupada which has already been given by NM. Unfortunately to confuse matters, the personality making these contradictory statements also calls himself Narayana Maharaja, which does raise the possibility that all these contradictory statements are indeed made by the same personality. We, however, have discounted this possibility, since it is unthinkable that an advanced Vaisnava such as Narayana Maharaja would make such blatant contradictions, especially to a wonderfully accurate Final Order on Srila Prabhupada's legacy. Contradictions which by the way could only serve the purpose of being nothing more than a vain attempt to try and attract followers away from Srila Prabhupada. We would therefore urge any followers of the original Narayana Maharaja (who spoke the wonderful Final Order about Srila Prabhupada in 1977 reproduced above) to inform him that there is an imposter Narayan Maharaja on the loose preaching the preposterous speculation that Srila Prabhupada had actually not "fulfilled everything in his lifetime". We are sure this original Narayan Maharaja will want to repremand his impersonator most severely

 

From ChiefCowPie

"and i posted this earlier and i wanted to post it again as tears well up in my eyes everytime i read this and think about it as Prabhupada's heart overflows with love at the departure of his dear disciple, Visnujana Swami "

Dear ChiefCowPie,

Brother, thank you so much for telling us about Vishnujana Swami. Your pain and tears tell us clearly about your Guru's grace upon you.

May God bless you with everything that you cherish for.

With love and prayers...........Kumar.

 

Dear Rama Nityananda Dasa,

Brother, thank you so much for giving us the beautiful story.

Let us take the substance matter of submitting ourselves at the Lotus feet of the beloved Lord. Let this be the only aim at all times.

With love........Kumar.

 

From Sleeping Jiva :

"gdkumar: no. we should love Krishna first, then love to other people will come naturally. All love to people without Krishna consciousness is egotism. The advanced people, who are positioned in this quality of goodness, they know that the results of their love to others will be beneficial, but yet it is an imprisonment in this world. Devotees of Krishna, they go beyond goodness. To see Supersoul in everybody that means to see him with your own eyes!!! If you're not in that level, you cannot see people in their true position. Please chant, even though you're full of hatred, don't think you're independent. Everything is controled by Lord. If a pure devotee feels anger it is direct control of Lord -it is trancendental. Like Vishnujana, from Chief Cow Pie's article he doesn't care if it's morally good to banish this Christian guy, he simply went and he protected message of God. Anyhow, I know this can be exploited. You say: " &Iuml;'m doing this in name of God", but in fact you don't even knowwho is God. yes, in that case, it is ignorant. It doesn't mean we should become heartless. We live in our bodies, they're part of maya as you wisely reminded us. Therefore, devotees are indeed in mode of goodness. Only from there, we can love purely Krishna. But at the same time, the only way how to get there is to love Krishna. Krishna says to Arjuna, when he's about to kill his family members that compassion is a feature of a pure devotee. Whatever you do, whatever you feel, chant. There's no other way. If someone's feel anger towards people, or is totally soaked in maya, let him chant. No artificial love will help him."

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Dear Sleeping Jiva,

I am sorry, I think I had created a lot of confusion for you (By my post) and now I am utterly confused by your post. I really do not understand what you are trying to get at.

I do not understand you. Can anyone love his father without loving the mother who tells him about the father? The mother is the symbol of nature (Radha) and the father is the symbol of "Purush"(Krishna). If nature(Radha) is denied then there is no Krishna.

Why do you repeat the name of Krishna, how can you love Him first without knowing anything about Him ? So, definitely you loved Mahaprabhu Chaitanya and Srila Prabhupada first and believed in whatever they said.

So, you love nature, which envelops everything, considering you are loving and acknowledging Him only. Have not you seen the peacock feather on His crown? It is there in any photograph of Him. Have you noticed the sign of female genital(Source of all creations) on the peacock feather ? He keeps nature on His head. We have always been taught "love thy neighbours".

Krishna is not a particular man who lives in the jungle or on top of the mountains. He is inside us, inside all of us. He is every where. He is in the grass, vegetables,plants,trees,animals,beasts......what is without Him?
"Sarvang Khallidang Brahman". There is no way to reach Him without loving all around us.

Dear brother, only chanting does not help. Chanting keeping the mind in the Lotus feet of Radhe and Krishna only helps. If mere chanting could do then even all the CDs of the Mahamantra would have become "Chaitanyamay".

I love you, I like your one-track mind. You are like the betel-nut trees which never bend and stand straight. But they always grow and progress looking for more and more light. May Lord Krishna make you like them, showing you only light and nothing else.

With love and prayers............Kumar.

 

Nityananda! Gauranga!Hare Krishna!

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Jaya Prabhupada!

 

Shri Ramakrishna Paramahansa very often used to say that God does not see our deeds, He sees our minds. At the time of doing any job where our mind is.

He gave us the following story :

There was a jewellery shop where including the owner all the employees used to chant. People used to think that they are all pious and used to buy gold ornaments from that shop.

As the buyers entered the shop the employees said, "Keshava,Keshava" (God's name).The owner said,"Gopala,Gopala"(God's name). Then the employees said, "Hari,Hari"(God's name). The owner said, "Hara,Hara"(God's name).The buyers were charmed by their devotion. They purchased whatever they wanted and happily left the shop.

Actually they were terribly cheated and were given all very poor quality gold.
All these people were bengalis and in Bengali 'Keshava' means,"Who are they?"
'Gopala' means cow herd(Implying innocent simple people,no fear). Hari means "Should I steal or cheat?" 'Hara' means "Go ahead, steal".

This story tells us to be aware of show-off practices. The Gita also tells us the same thing.

With love...........Kumar.

 

gdkumar: this is quite important topic. I know what you mean and totaly agree. One can chant only in order to attract some not very intelligent people and then cheat them. In fact, he may do this without knowing it! that's why there are people, who claim to be Prabhupada's followers and still they refused Prabhupada's instructions. They may say: " I see Krishna, no reason to listen to Prabhupada anymore I'm more than him.". This is demonic.

As I was referring in my previous post, my point is, that there's nothing higher than Krishna, any goodness, nice behaviour are nothing but maya if they're not in Krishna consciousness. We should be good, but not for ourselves (expecting praise from others), only for Krishna. Because even the mode of goodness is an attachment. You think: I'm good. But in fact it was done only by Krishna's mercy. Material nature is mother, yes and Krishna is father. We may hear from mother about father. There's no other way -haha only through material things we may realise the spiritual world's existence. But, well, Bhagavadgita bona, fide guru, everything used in Krishna consciousness is in fact spiritual even though we see material forms. but if you love this material things without Krishna consciousness, that's maya. Maya is only in your head. The things are in their nature Krishna's various forms, but the problem is when you say to yourself: This material world is for me, for my eyes. It is for me to enjoy. And you want to lord it over material nature. That is a danger I'm talking about. And we are all under this spell. I cannot say: Ok, now I'm detached. No. Krishna decides. Therefore, if you want to get freed from this illusion you must surrender to Krishna. I found this verse from Bhagavadgita, which wil explain it better. I'm willing to explain more. I consider it very important issue, if there's only one word you're not sure how did I mean, just tell me, I'll do anything possible in order to explain thourghly.