Has anybody tried it? I have a reasonably good source, and would like to know y'alls experiences. Also, if you are interested, I might want to split costs with someone around my area.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/5meo_dmt/5meo_dmt_effects.shtml http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.cgi?S1=58
i'm in the area but i'm not interested in it at this time. this is so closely related to DMT and has been widely available through mail order since the very beginnings of the research chemical days...theres a reason it hasn't been scheduled yet. while its one of the more incapacitating substances available, for it to be schedule I there needs to be a "high potential for abuse," in other words, a large part of the drug-using community has to feel that it's worth using....
the DEA would argue it's the "safety under medical supervision" which must be shown, but i'd say LSD and therapy is much safer than giving out meth for severe ADHD cases, which is rare but does happen...
i could see coke maybe having some medical use but meth ahaha yeah right,and yet marijuana,mescaline,shrooms,DMT and LSD are all I,and these are some of the safest drugs a person can do,non of them kill or damage anypart of the body... wow the DEA is fucking stupied,its sad
methamphetamine DOES have some safe medical applications, but only in a very limited number of cases. i believe there are still methamphetamine pills on the market for extremely severe ADHD cases in people resistant to treatment with lesser amphetamines or methylphenidate...i would be surprised if more than a handful of pharmacies are even willing to carry it though what surprises me most isn't that pretty (physically) harmless drugs are sometimes schedule one, but that endogenous drugs such as GHB and DMT are scheduled at all. drugs that are made in the bodies of each and every living human being....and since any substances containing a scheduled substance are considered scheduled themselves (though its often open to interpretation, but look at instances of people being busted for possesion of dried poppy pods, or possesion of dried mushrooms...psilocin and psilocybin are scheduled, not the mushrooms themselves!) this makes each human being a schedule I drug guess i better get rid of all those mexicans i was saving to get high off of on halloween...
well i can see GHB being scheduled because its very easy to OD on and the fact that it has no color or smell and can be some what easly made and also can be used for date rape,but DMT realy shouldnt be there is no reason other then someone smoked alot and fell down and hurt themself like that,DMT is pretty much impossable to OD on i tihnk there was one case is it was stupiedly high number like 100 mg and he was also on a bunch of other stuff,i think its stupied to make illegal natural drugs,even unatural drugs i mean come on,i find it funny that a person who has never done drugs and has less knowlegde on them then most if not all psychedlic users can can say this drug is bad for everyone because i know better then you. meth having medical value i can see weed,LSD,mescaline having more medical value then that shit, i mean thats what they originaly made LSD25 for
i don't know what kind of people live near you that do drugs, but the vast majority of drug users in my area are a waste of oxygen, and yes, the government DOES know far more about drugs than most people, even if their actions are very misguided, even immoral in some people's viewpoints. at any rate, dosages of GHB are in the grams, i can't see it being so easy to OD on as long as you take basic safety precautions. date rape, yeah, but its easy enough to make illegally anyway, so why bother making it illegal? instead they should keep it legal, but schedule II or III, and never administer it in any form other than, say, a syrup. intentionally with a slightly bad flavor and strong smell, and with a definite thickness and color to it. it would solve the date rape problem pretty much. besides, theres a number of other "date rape" drugs out there, and even some non-sedatives could be incapacitating enough to cause some very serious harm to someone in the hands of a very cruel person.
well im saying i dont know any DEA agents that look at drugs from a users perseptive and also i think its 2 grams to OD off GHB and sence its sold deluted in water most of the time and the makers dont add tast,smell or color you realy dont know how much your talking,so actuly yeah making it legal would make sence some parts of the world it still is i think,but i could see there reasoning for making it illegal,also what i would call a psychedlic user is someone who researches and knows there drugs uses them resonalby and uses them the right way and for explorration and a littile fun, or to relaxe. there a difference between a psychedlic user and a druggie,i know people who will snort coke untill they run out smoke 5 or 6 blunts then pop corcedrin like candy just cause there bord,they dont care about there body or other peoples and wont use for ego loss and spritual exeriances.
like most drugs, you can build a tolerance to GHB. that said, its naturally occuring in our bodies and we are all exposed to it at one time or another...i would assume thats the cause of such a high dosage, but look at erowid's dosage chart for it. http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb_dose.shtml but what constitutes a "user's perspective?" if by that you mean the outlook of the average "user" then i think they don't really need to try and see it that way because it's pretty obvious. most "users" i know are like "shit dawg, lets get fucked up." its sad, but it's the way it is. with almost every drug, psychedelics included. most of them don't know anything at all about what they're doing to themselves and don't know how to maintain any form of safety. people see the government's anti-marijuana sentiments and when they smoke pot they realize nearly everything they've been told about it is false; they assume its that way with most other drugs too. from this standpoint i can definitely see why they outlaw drugs thinking it will do good, but it really just makes everything more dangerous and more appealing (only initially) to the types of people i've been referring to. the "average" drug user. that said, i still think it's misguided and that it would be a much more sane and safe nation if we would completely revamp the draconian model upon which we base our drug legislation.
i didnt realize how high the GHB OD was, i though it was around the same as coke gues i was wronge,i think the bigest problem as far as anything goes is knowlegde if people would seek it more and actuly learn and reasearch stuff so much would be advouded, i know what you mean most of the people i know or do drugs with are like yeah man lets buy like 8 grams of blow and go on a weekend bing,or man im out of weed guess that half ounce didnt last as long as i thought there saying that two day after buying it and this is normal amount to smoke for them,i realy dont have that many people to do drugs with to experiment with reality and spritualy and that part of drug use with, everyone in my circle of firends has addictive personaly (incuding me,which im over coming)ones a junkie,ones an ex coke head/still coke head pothead,and ones a alcoholic stoner,there great guys and some off my closest firends,and know about drugs, but still i found it hard to find people who actuly have the amount of knowlegde or the want to learn and experiment, i think people and drugs are very misunderstood
my recommendation: ditch them, or at least make it clear that you don't want to be around that stuff. trust me, you'll thank yourself later. keep smoking weed if you want, but if you're 16 you're still VERY young and have a lot of growing up to do, and a lot of times it can be easier without all the drug bullshit. i have a number of problems of a personal nature that i attribute largely to my overindulgance in highschool. hell, i'm 20 years old, and while i may be way more mature than most of my peers in a lot of respects, i'm still stuck at 16 in a few other areas of life. stick to your studies, keep smoking pot if you want, hang out with your buddies and have a good time, maybe have a beer or two once in a while, but man, addictive drugs really just aren't worth it. psychedelics; if they come by then take them alone to explore a more spiritual side of them if no one else is interested in that. but theres no need to rush. i can tell you now that psychedelics dont have a spiritual side unless you interpret them that way, and you have to approach them carefully. i'd say instead of spending time getting fucked up with these addicts you would do better to take up meditation or something. look into spirituality first, then use psychedelics as a supplement to that...i always had a spiritual side to me, but even still i wasn't disciplined and still lack a lot....finding spirituality through psychedelics rather than the other way around was a bad idea, and it takes years and a strong mind and will power. i've done mushrooms over two or three dozen times, acid over ten, etc. etc., over the past couple years, and only NOW am i beginning to START to find a more spiritual side of psychedelic drugs. i always knew it was there, but i couldnt access it. give yourself time to grow, think, and learn, and if you do continue using drugs other than pot, PACE YOURSELF...thats something i wish i had done. later in life you'll start meeting people more on the same wavelength as yourself that you will have no problem with exploring the spiritual side of psychedelics with, but until then...its not really too important to take them, if you don't feel you're getting a hell of a lot out of them. maybe you do feel that way though...i dunno.
im not going to dich them there my firends ones my cousin and my junkie firend is actuly extemly creative and i love working with him with music and film,i quit pretty much everything other then weed and salvia and drink once in a grate while(tho i hope to try mescaline and shrooms next summer im not going to rush into them because they can be very powerful), most drugs just dont do it for me i found them a wast of time,ive been qestioning and searching for spritualy as long as i can remeber,when i was 4 i told my mom i was a nonconformest and still hold true to that this very day, when i was like 6-8 i wanted to be a preist, so i started questioning chirsitanty and pretty much started to realize it was somthing totaly warped and distorted of its former self after that i look at different religions,i now consider myself pagan because i look more to the earth and the universe as the creater,i toned down on my drug use and been thinking alot more,i used a littile saliva a while ago and it sparked a whole new idea of thinking,ive also found an interest in bodymods and want to explor the ritual side of that for a while,i dont plan on talking a bunch of acid to see god or anything like that,ive never found medatation realy helpful, but i am thinking all the time and always philosophing, i also look to my dreams they play a big part in my life and i take them as part of myslef telling me something about my life,this morning i think for about 2 hours i was fearking out because some day i will die and i hate the idea of death,i enjoy emotions more then anything, and ive based my thinking around emotions as the only true reality everything else is just a produc of emotion which feeds back into itself so the circle will continue,drugs i feel plays into this they alter emotions and thinking,im pretty much just growing up and looking for answers ive felt this way my whole life i dont know why or what im going to do with any of these ideas or feeling ive got but that another thing im trying to figure out, im creating my own life syle/culture.
Not quite DMT...i like the visuals of DMT much better...I think the 5MEO-DMT is much more of a rush...I call it the "crack" of psychedelics. BTW..I dont smoke crack
