Homosexuality and Religion

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by Bocks, Oct 1, 2005.

  1. Bocks

    Bocks Senior Member

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    Can someone explain to me why (it seems) those who practice religion, namely Christianity in our culture, oppose homosexuality, especially considering it isn't a matter of choice?
     
  2. MollyBloom

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    Unfortunately, the sect of Christianity that has a strong hold on this country (as well as in the media, like CBN the so-called Christian Broadcasting Network,) opposes anything that threatens the idea they have of traditional society, which is a nuclear family, with 2.5 kids, and absolutely no room for sexual deviants like gays.

    However, if people would just open their minds to Christ instead of turning to a religion as some sort of last bastion of old world ideals, they would note that Jesus was freeing people left and right from the restrictions of culture, past behavior in adultery, and ritual uncleanliness. Though he does not specifically address homosexuality or abortion, which ironically are two issues the fundamentalist Christians fight for, I'm sure that Jesus would have broken bread with homosexuals. Why not? We're all people; created in God's image.

    Someday maybe, Christians like Jim Wallis (author of God's Politics: How the Left gets it Wrong and the Right Doesn't Get it) will have more presence in the media. He argues that the Christians that get the most attention are bickering about abortion and homosexuality, when really we as Christians should be concerned with world hunger, poverty, social justice, and the general peace of Jesus of Nazareth.
     
  3. Bocks

    Bocks Senior Member

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    That's what I thought. I was under the impression that Jesus was something of a hippie, and most hippies wouldn't denounce someone on the basis of their sexual preference.
     
  4. IronGoth

    IronGoth Newbie

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    The Bible says it's a sin. If it's a sin it's a choice.

    Any empirical evidence that indicates otherwise, naturally, is an absurd liberal myth.
     
  5. Bocks

    Bocks Senior Member

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    It's a topic psychologists STILL debate about. What I want to know is how anyone can choose to undergo the torment that, throughout history, many gay people have had to face.

    And why does the Bible say that homosexuality is a sin?
     
  6. Disarm

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    The bible doesn't say homosexuality is a sin. It only mentions it twice, in fact.
    Lev 18:22 "'You shall not lie with a man, as with a woman. That is detestable."
    Lev 20:13 "'If a man lies with a male, as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

    I gues it's a matter of perception but the Anglican minister here says its more against bisexuality than anything- if you lie with a man in the same manner as you do with a woman. You should only lie with a woman inside of marriage, anyway, so in that manner its against men cheating on women with men...

    A whole lot of that section of Leviticus is in relation to forbidden sexual relations, and guess what- when referring to sexual relations it does not simply say "lie with" it says "lie with" AND "defile", for example:
    Lev 18:20 "'You shall not lie carnally with your neighbor's wife, and defile yourself with her."

    So many could argue that the sections referring to homosexuality don't in fact talk about homosexual sex at all. I haven't read the commentary on it but that's irrelevant to christians because for some absurd reason they choose to ignore the historical commentary which comes with the old testament which explains it. All in all though, its a matter of translation I guess- I used the World English Bible, I understand the KJV might be a bit different (but King James was partial to homosexuals so I very very much doubt it was much different).
     
  7. Bocks

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    Wow, thanks. That's really helpful. It's amazing the way the Bible can be interpreted in so many different ways. I just think it's a little follish to cling to one interpretation and INSIST that it is correct, when there is the possibility that it isn't.
     
  8. ryupower

    ryupower NO capcom included

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    For all I know, homo/bisexuality is based mainly on lust. And therefore isn't accepted.
     
  9. thumontico

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    For all I know, homo-/hetero-/bi-sexuality is based mainly on natural sexual drive. And therefore should be accepted.
     
  10. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    It just may be your naivety (you are young), but I take offense to that...

    Do you know every homosexual on the planet?

    I have family members that are homosexual and are in a lifetime committed relationship just like any married hetero couple. They are with eachother because they love, care for, and support eachother - not because they are horny.

    I hate how some seem to think that homosexuals aren't regular people that do the regular things every other person does. They don't live their lives any differently than heterosexuals.
     
  11. Bocks

    Bocks Senior Member

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    I agree. I have homosexual friends.
    *nods*
     
  12. MollyThe Hippy

    MollyThe Hippy get high school

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    i think homosexuality isn't a sin because lucifer fucks people up the ass in hell and so if homosexuals went to hell, hell would be like heaven to them
     
  13. MollyBloom

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    These words are so angry and hateful. Why are you saying these things when you ascribe to the love and peace of Jesus Christ?
     
  14. MollyThe Hippy

    MollyThe Hippy get high school

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    leviticus told me
     
  15. Cerberus

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    Oh I get it, Molly is roleplaying a fundementalist Christian, was lost on me earlier.
     
  16. MollyBloom

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    God is speaking to us now...in the present time.

    If you look literally to every letter of the Bible, you are making the Scripture into Law. Jesus died so that you need not worry about fulfilling tasks and works any longer. Jesus proved that the Law didn't work. The people who followed the Scriptures to a tee ended up persecuting Jesus, who was an innocent man. Jesus criticized them because their human traditions were stopping them from seeing God. Therefore the law was proved wrong. Jesus broke the bounds and performed miracles and ate with sinners, and touched lepers.


    You are free to love and see God in all people now.


     
  17. thumontico

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    seems like good logic assuming all of it wasnt so silly in the first place
     
  18. Smurfing-Nibbles

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    i am atheist btw. if god created all people and governs our lives and has a plan for every person, then doesnt that mean he causes homosexuality, which is a sin in the bible. just something for people who think that god runs everything to think about.
     

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