US arrests Porn Site Owner - He showed pix of dead Iraqis

And for the rest of the story..........http://uk.news.yahoo.com/08102005/80/iraq-corpse-web-site-operator-held-obscenity.html..http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3388385

 

the cops say he was arrested on obscenity charges. i'd like to hear what the guy has got to say and see the evidence. the authorities would like nothing more than to shut him up and stop his web site so the charges may be trumped up or convenient. and if you're thinking of looking at the pictures don't go on an empty stomach. some of them are very graphic.

 

BTW , WRONG

 

cadcruzer's right actually. the owner seems to be publishing the photos as a first amendment thing, he actually supports the war. one has only to read a few of the comments to the pictures to see how fucked up some ppl are...

 

lest you think i'm some kind of morbid voyeur, i don't visit these sort of sites. it's the first one i've been to of this nature. the picture i posted yesterday came from a photo-journalist's record of war crimes in fallujah, not a sex site. i didn't know this one existed until skip posted the story here about half an hour ago.

well if you recall the scandal at abu graib came about b/c soldiers released photos to the press of the torture going on there. this site invites and encourages bona fide soldiers to submit their own photos of the war and its atrocities in much the same genre. so we have here another potential abu graib in the making. all sorts of war crimes are being documented by these photographs. the fact that the man has been arrested, given the apparent controversy over his site last week, attests to the fact the government not only wanted to, but they did, shut him up. if they apply enough pressure on the guy i won't be surprised to see his site shut down completely. it is after all a police state in america.

btw, where is your proof that the 'insurgents' have killed more people than the americans have?


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you're a funny fellow. on one hand u say u want proof that the us govt wants to shut this guy up, yet your own first reaction is to want to punish the soldiers who supplied the photos... now just imagine that the us govt is full of ppl who think like u do, there's your proof.

 

.... I take it your reffering to the dutch law, which allow's one to have child porn in their home? Just a guess of mine , but i'm betting he had pic's of under age children on his site.

Will you still consider this a "GREAT SERVICE" when the whole story come's out?

 

I think it is sickening to have these pictures on a web site..even worse though is to construct a arguement that this is 'the done thing' as regards to US troops. Of course SOME soldiers are this idiotic and they should be dealt with in line with military code...

I don't think the US goverment want to 'shut people up' .. That site flouts countless regulations . Personaly i think it reflects badly on the US military in the same way the Abu Ghraib pictures reflected the US military ...copmpletly un proportionate to actuality.. played upon by those that would gain leverage from exploiting those pictures for more than they were.. the pictures taken by a few idiots within a group of human beings..with flaws and predjudices.. something i am sure the miIlitary wishes was not in the military.. hence trying to stop such things being continued.

I don't see them taking down sites like this http://cbftw.blogspot.com/

With respect.. your own 'rules' on free speach' have nothing on anything that the US goverment could come up with...so don't get worked up over what they do.

 

Maybe i should have said 'that site flouts countless regulations'.. what do you want from me on a Sunday ?...chrystaline arguements and precise verbiage ?.

 

Wilson is charged with one count of wholesale distribution of obscene material and 300 misdemeanor counts related to 20 online films and 80 photographs obtained from his website," the paper said in its online edition on Friday.

"For each film and photograph there are three counts - distribution of obscene material, offering to distribute obscene material and possession of obscene material with intent to distribute," the paper said.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/08ADA10F-33F5-4648-B091-2D826510471E.htm

Tenuous i grant you..

Army Chief of Staff Gen. Peter Schoomaker on Wednesday sent a message about "Internet Safety" to U.S. soldiers, but focused on restrictions on images that could compromise operational security on the battlefield. Curtin said the message was unrelated to the corpse photos.

If American soldiers in the field are always considered representatives of their government, international law clearly prohibits publishing and ridiculing images of war dead. The First Protocol of the Geneva Conventions states that “the remains of persons who have died for reasons related to occupation or in detention resulting from occupation or hostilities ... shall be respected, and the gravesites of all such persons shall be respected, maintained, and marked.” The first Geneva Convention also requires that military personnel “shall further ensure that the dead are honorably interred, if possible according to the rites of the religion to which they belonged.”



The Army Criminal Investigation Command in Iraq conducted the preliminary inquiry within the past week but closed it after concluding no felony crime had been committed and failing to determine whether U.S. soldiers were responsible for the photos and whether they showed actual war dead, Army officials said.


Col. Joe Curtin, an Army spokesman at the Pentagon, said there currently was no formal investigation into the matter.The Army Criminal Investigation Command in Iraq conducted the preliminary inquiry within the past week but closed it after concluding no felony crime had been committed and failing to determine whether U.S. soldiers were responsible for the photos and whether they showed actual war dead, Army officials said.

Officials said that while the Army's preliminary inquiry had determined no felony act had taken place, soldiers potentially could be punished for conduct unbecoming a soldier, which generally brings administrative sanctions.


Col. Joe Curtin, an Army spokesman at the Pentagon, said there currently was no formal investigation into the matter.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N28310515.htm

I think they just want the site closed .. a arguement could be made for it to be left alone.. but dicisions are made.. you should respect that [having to make dicisions yourself].

 

it seems to me that some ppl's view of this perverted war is programmed on norman rockwell cartoons and jingo-jingo rants from the president. any sign of dead bodies and guts and gore scandalises them to itsy bitsy pieces. well, too bad. take a good hard look and remember here are the atrocities committed every day in your name.

 

We don't know who perpetrated these 'atrocities' so can't really say whos name it was bieing commited under [can we].

As you know 'we' don't kill whomever whenever we please like those nice people working too free their fellow country men from evil western influence.. I am sure their fellow countrymen appreciate the efforts made, as they go hurtling in 10 different directions.. car wheels following closely behind.. I now you know this.. why are you so one sided when you post [the majority of the time].

Showing such images does not always say a 'thousand words'..

 

i think we can. some of the ppl posting are pretty blatant about it.

talk about moral relativism ... so b/c one side commits atrocities that justifies the other side committing them too does it? let me repeat now for the third time: i subscribe to the quaint old fashioned view that murder happens to be an atrocity whoever commits it. i see and read about the atrocities committed by the 'insurgents' all the time: it's in the news, in the papers, on tv, in my face and i condemn it. yet this is an illegal war started by an illegal invasion and we hear nothing, absolutely nothing, about the atrocities committed by the perpetrators of this crime, the american military and their allies. as soon as we do everyone's screaming to shut it down and arrest the culprits. seems to me that THAT'S one-sided. you seem to want to live in a world where your favoured side possesses all the righteousness and goodness and are only fighting this war to build hospitals and schools and bring democracy to the benighted iraqis while the other side commits all the evil atrocities and are sub-human. well how about both sides commit evil atrocities and neither side possesses righteousness when it comes to war. nor is any side blameless. that's why war must be avoided at all costs. it makes sub-humans out of all of us.

they seem to have had no effect on you whatsoever which is a worry.


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I am not going to defend those idiots..but we don't know who killed the people or the circumstances.. we don't even know if they are even from this current conflict.. just a mish mash of horrid pics from even more horrid individuals.. It seems a blanket 'disgust' is being put upon a hell of a lot of indiviuals within the military..that don't deserve it.. thats why i think it serves no purpose, and this being used in the manner it is [like this thread]..
I guess you will say 'i know all military people are not like that' not really changing antything though is it.. these things will be interpreted in a far less balanced manner than you are capable of [though not doing that much of].. Do you remember those pictures that got printed over here http://www.guardian.co.uk/gall/0,8542,1208623,00.html .. not that these pictures are faked..but are not imho of any help and plant in the minds false impressions..and are a useful tool in propogating the wrong image .. It won't matter if hospitals/roads/democracy is in place... they will be used as 'proof' of something that is not wholly true..propaganda i think they call it.

They can't remove these images it is not within their power.. they are not even investigating these images anymore..they probably do want the site down and are throwing up hurdles for him..
You don't see images like this in the news EVER.. We do get to hear about the aftermath of war on both sides , i understand we are not the angels of mercy..neither are we the bringers of death too all..
You don't like war, wich is fair enough.. you just seem to be willing to using the majority of your energy condeming The american/coalition/iraqi troops at every given opportuntiy...ohh sorry just the americans.

We don't know who killed the majority of those people.. so the guilt could be placed all round..but is not.
If the chap in the car happened to be a suicide bomber or not.. it does not matter what crap is posted underneath, it does indication of the circumstances.

Again we don't know who did what.. these soldiers could have just come along these people in their travels.. they could have just 'done the deed' a bit unlikely when they are present in some of these pictures [if so even more they are even more stupid than i first though]...like it is your opinion this war is illegal, wich has been proven not to be 'technicaly' true..

I can appreciate what these picteres are and what they indicate and better what they do not..


[/QUOTE=Matthew]Showing such images does not always say a 'thousand words'..[/QUOTE]they seem to have had no effect on you whatsoever which is a worry.[/QUOTE]They have had a effect on me.. i am reacting to them now... What do you wish instead

This war is now deemed illegal and those bastard imperialistic murdering americans..should be taken to court.. Iraq should be given to insurgency and we should bring all our troops home.

Haliburton should be stripped of its assets and..gawd dammit Bush did order the demolitionm of the Twin towers....

I will get straight on to altering my mind..due to pictures i have seen from some 'truth givers'..

 

Matthew, that quote stilll doesn't say what the porn was that is so horrificly perverse the words cannot glance the american people's eyes. I'm going to have to agree with James, no matter what the cause, the justification, or the colors of the flags fighting, war fucking sucks. You think just because we're america our troops aren't killing innocents? It shouldn't matter who killed the person in the picture, the fact is that person is dead, and died a pretty painful death in a lot of cases, for what? Because they wanted a cup of coffee and walked out and was mistaken by some american and shot? Or he got caught in the blast of some suicide bomb? What matters is that these people are dying caught in the cross fire of some rich countries war on their fanatics. What matters is our brothers and sisters are dying across an ocean because of a lie. What matters is this country is getting torn apart by foreign powers. What matters is that this war has gone on for too long as it is. If it takes bloody pictures of Iraqis dead on the ground to make people realize this? Fine. If it takes a plane full of flag draped coffins on CNN to make people realize this? Fine.