Population Solution

Discussion in 'The Environment' started by green_revolution, Oct 6, 2005.

  1. green_revolution

    green_revolution Member

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    I would have saved posting this until I had more ideas but at the moment I'm bored so I'll just say it now.

    If overpopulation gets to be a problem (which I'm sure it will be in some places by the end of our lifetime), I was thinking of a few ways to solve it so here goes:

    Let's say overpopulation starts taking its toll on the earth. Why not pass a law that says if you wanna have kids, you need to apply for a sort of permit. It's not a serious demand, you just need like a signature from a state representative or something. Then you get a sort of pre-birth certificate and your all good. If you do have kids but you didn't get the signature, no big deal, you just have to pay a small fine or something. Nothing huge, but still big enough so that people would think ahead before.

    I know this sounds like a sort of thing you'd see in a post-apocalyptic future but yeah. It's not really something to limit population, but more something to encourage contraception.

    Anyway, flame and praise would be appreciated :p
     
  2. daisymae

    daisymae Senior Member

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    So who would pay for the people who have no money but keep popping out kids? What about pregnancies resulting from rape?
    Most religions won't agree with it, either.....
     
  3. you could always sterilize people who didn't comply and limit 1 child to 2 people, halve the population in short order

    if you are going to be heartless be totally fucking heartless......
     
  4. TrippinBTM

    TrippinBTM Ramblin' Man

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    No American will jump behind this law. A permit to have a baby? That's like the most basic right there is. It's the most instinctual, gutteral sort of thing about a human, besides eating, drinking, and sleeping. I dunno man, sounds like a nice idea (i guess) but I'm not sure I'm for it. Too much of a libertarian for this one.
     
  5. green_revolution

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    Yeah I sort of answered my own question the day after I posted this. I guess it isn't such a good idea since that's sorta going against human nature. But I do think abortions and condoms should be free.
     
  6. hippychickmommy

    hippychickmommy Sugar and Spice

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    Do the people who go on and on about overpopulation realize that they too are part of the problem?
     
  7. daisymae

    daisymae Senior Member

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    hippychickmommy is right....so I think those who drone on and on about this should be the first ones to go..;)
     
  8. steffan

    steffan puffin

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    China does that already of course, it seem cruel and unresonable to me, what would the punishment be? imprisonment? so now we have children whos parents are in jail, there lives sacrifiied for an easy fix.
    Aren't the majority of births in developed contries accidentle? Just why is it we do not have safe and reliable birth control? Dosnt this seem a bit odd to anyone else?? is it realy that dificult?
     
  9. you know how you get americans behind it?


    point out child abuse cases and say you can fix it

    point out the overburdened foster care system, say if someone can't get a permit for financhial reasons, but would be a good parent, then they can go there

    point out every bad parent every one of us has ever seen and thought, "my god they never should have been alout to have children" and then say, well, they wouldn't have been......


    the only real problem with it is declining birthrate arguments, but all you have to say is something to the affect of "we'll just outsource the jobs we don't need, better educate our next generation of children free and then they will manage the world"

    just watch the campaign play out in your head, it's not unimaginable if you really look at it....
     
  10. Becknudefck

    Becknudefck Senior Member

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    im sorry but that is one of the stupidest ideas. people need to stop worrying about stupid shit like overpopulation, its not gonna happen in your lifetime, dont worry about it. unless its like..pollution or something, but other than that who gives a fuck.
     
  11. IntenseHeat

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    Very Simple = if you make a combine amount of money to safely raise kids in good schools and hoods you are allowed to have kids. the rest gets clip. if later you can your tubes are re- atach or a valve open . lets see here in the U.S would mean around a minimum of $75.000 each for a safe confortable family. under that your just a poor son of bitch.
     
  12. MikeE

    MikeE Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    Lets see:

    Step 1)Pass the law
    2) the mob hangs the politicians.
    3)New politicians repeal the law.

    Population decrease= original politicians.
     
  13. liguana

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    The effects of overpopulation are already upon us.
    Evidence #1: Infrastructure cannot keep up with the demands of increasing population. Municipalities must build infrastructure for a population larger than current and that is gonna cost more than what the current population base can afford. As far as borrowing funds to cover this, well that's what they've been doing for decades and as almost all governments are in debt and running deficits they are finding it increasingly harder to come up with money to build/maintain infrastructure. In short, overpopulation is economically unsustainable.

    Evidence #2: Loss of bio-diversity due to anthropogenic causes. It amazes me how ppl how here talk of having kids as a basic "human" right. No, it's more than that, it's an instinctual urge shared by ALL LIVING ORGANISMS to contunue their genes. And the more humans that take up spaces/resources, the less there is for other species and thus their endangerment.

    There are other evidences too but I won't go into them.


    The permit idea would introduce admin costs and other problems that I'm not too keen on. I prefer higher taxes for couples that have more than 2 kids, I think that's fair. And DON'T support subsidized child care (as they are trying do here in Canada), that will only encourage people who otherwise can't afford kids to have kids and that's just economically unsustainable.

    And for the under-developed nations, give them a financial incentive to having smaller families, such as setting up a trust fund for their retirement if they commit to having fewer than 3 kids, a larger fund if they have daughters.

    BTW, none of this is actually new, China enforces it's one-child policy through taxation.

    There are also other mechanisms available to ease childless couples lives in their senior years such as reverse mortgage programs.
     
  14. _S_

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    well said liguana.
     
  15. Ramona

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    Have you ever read "Among the Hidden"? If you have then you know that laws placed on the number of kids a couple can have will never work. There will just be a million "illegal kids in hiding" who live in fear of being found out about. No, people have to attempt to be more responsible on their own.
     
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