US arrests Porn Site Owner - He showed pix of dead Iraqis

Because I want to see the TRUTH, whatever it may be.

 

When I see the bodies I think its a waste of life no matter what the cause.

I find it funny that at first, the US disregards the UN when it says that more inspections should be made before declaring that Iraq had WMDs, but then it uses the UN's laws to justify the attack. It seems to me like the Christians who pick and choose only the parts of the bible that work for them.

 

I really dont see what the big deal is, pictures of a couple of dead iraquis big deal. If you had witness a city bombing in WW2 with a profesional color camera then you would see piles and piles of woman,children, and man including dogs,cats,horses, . The problem was cameras were a NO NO for a GI american to carry in 1945. and also cameras of quality were not cheap and 35mm color film was hard to find and expensive for a GI on military pay. Not to mention the pictures would had to be smugle out. and back home those pictures would had gotten you in trouble if cought with "not worth it if just survive WW2 as a soldier" those far away pictures in black or white or even the few in color dont show what happen to civilians like in Dresden Germany were as much 400.000 civilians die after 2 days of bombing . or Tokio Japan. The few pictures that exist of Hiroshima and Nagazaki dont show much either thanx to the army editing .

 

I only feel a bit for the poor Iraquis civilians cough in the middle of this. but still theyr number even tho they are in the thousands dont even come close to those dark days of WW2 1939-1945 . and accuratly we well never know what they were in WW2. I seen worse or just as bad pictures of cars accidents in our highways. And lets not forget folks we live in a constant war in the streets "vehicle wars" were 40.000 americans die each years of traffic accidents. chevy vs Ford , cars vs trucks, motorcycle vs pizza delivery man.

 

you can include the other 3 books as well.

 

I think a few UN council members wanted more inspections [but you can prove me wrong]..but how long do you do that for..?.It is not a suprise some did ,and many others did not.. thats what the UN is all about. He had countless years to follow UN resolutions..Picking and choosing parts that work for them is not the preserve of christians..If the US [any goverment] could do what it wanted in the face of the international community ..and international laws.. i am sure they would...but they can't...thats just left to nice men like Saddam.

 

Shutting down his website isnt what this is about, yet anyway's. It's about having child porn on your comp. here in the state's. Which is very illegal ,an should be! Doesnt matter where the server is, he has it on his comp. right here in florida right?

BTW ,Did you know he's a former police officer. Providing childporn no matter where a server is located, is by no mean's or way, a "great service" to anyone............man you need a new hero.

 

if a web site owner invited iraqi nationalists to post recent photos of dead american soldiers and other such atrocities you wouldn't be likely to say that those photos didn't represent the done thing regards the 'insurgents', and generously put it down to a few idiots? how is this any different, other than it's your favoured side doing the atrocities?

besides from the us military assuring you that those responsible for abu graib were "un proportinate to actuality" how do you know that is true? that's what you want to believe but other than going on trust there's no real reason to believe that it's true. it seemed to me to suggest from the gonzales memo that torture is fair game, in the post-geneva convention period he now decalred us to be in. a personal q, are you ex-military yourself matthew, or maybe your family? :H

the proprietor here doesn't arrest ppl and lock them up without trial yet, although i'm sure he probably feels like it sometimes


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no i don't. i blame the violence on whoever commits it. i'm not with the terrorists and i'm not with the americans, to paraphrase george. i'm not with one side or the other. i'm opposed to the violence committed by both sides. get it?

you've got this notion that if reality should conform to my opinion of it then i must be skewing it somehow to make it so, therefore reality can be dismissed. that memo was sent and its purpose was to justify torture. torture then followed at abu graib. this suggests strongly to me that torture is institutionalised and is not the random acts of renegade individuals. whether or not who's fucking who determines american fioreign policy these days i really can't say.

yes, you do offer an alternative here matthew and you're always willing to debate it too even if we do have our moments. so full marks to you for that. you're a good bloke, even if your warlike tendencies don't always help to make a balanced conversation (oh god, can't resist a piss take)...

 

The porn stuff was prob fabricated by the goverment no difrent tactics that were used against Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge.

 

Your whole point was one or the other.. in this case we don't know who did what.
When i see cars being blown up .. heads being cut off.. i have a prety good idea who did it..
You are with one side, ok you favour one side rather than the other.. that is evident within every post you write on this subject.. When pushed you go 'oh yeah i appreciate what both sides do'.. but then you call them iraqi nationalists.. ehh ??.. iraqi nationalists blowing up their own people... mmmmm wonderful... I respect your apposed to violence , it does not fill me with joy either..
The wanton killing of people for no other reason than too destabalise peace [wich i am sure we can agree we both would like-hey don't look at me like that ] pisses me off..because 'my side' is not trying to do that.
You imho spend far to much time trying to shoulder the blame onto one side.. so yeah i know you can if pushed begrudgingly accept what the ********** are doing ..but do you spend the same time trying to aportion any responsibility onto them.??...in a fair and reasoanble way ??.. Nope.

Define torture...? On release any prisoner can state they were tortured...thats the quandry the memo was trying to convey.

That memo had no relationship with the actions of those individuals involved in the pictures.. The actual people who ran Abu graib brought action against the individuals.. long before we the general public found out about the pictures.. it could have been 'hushed up' quite easily.

It is a bit cold and calculated and completly legalistic..[no more than any possible legal actions from detainees would be]....
thats all it is though.. Not some green light to do what was within those pictures.. that would be trying to impress your superiors and boyfriend.
It is as horrificaly mundane as that.

http://news.lp.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/torture/powtorturememos.html

 

if america hadn't invaded their country then they would not have resorted to such barbarous tactics, is what i think. they are up against the biggest military juggernaut in the world so they hit back the only way they can: even if that means killing ppl they say are collaborating with the invaders. the underground in the war did similar things to nazi collaborators. other times they seem to blow up things and just kill indiscriminately which i imagine is an effort to destabilise the invasion forces by brutal, shock tactics. but the americans started off the invasion doing that too if u recall: remember 'shock and awe'? america started the war and in my view are the aggressors and are therefore in the wrong, which is why it seems to you i favour one side over the other. i believe the american side shoulder the prime responsibility for what is happening in iraq now and i blame them for the whole terrible business. maybe that doesn't seem fair and reasonable but it isn't fair and reasonable to invade another country without good reason then after you have invaded and turned the place upside down pretend you came to bring peace.

i know we can't agree: on this subject we are on two different planets i'm afraid.

 

not sure what u mean. 'give the americans a go?', '15.5 million people'? most iraqis from opinion polls i've seen want the americans to go home.

the us invasion took place without un approval you recall and since then america has made no efforts to diplomatically negotiate a peace b/c they're not in a negotiating mood. they're in a come in and take over mood. the cease fire negotiated in fallujah was dishonoured from the first day, so u can understand that ppl aren't likely to want to trust the american side in any negotiatiions. i understand that their position is for the immediate withdrawal of all us troops, so there's probably not a lot to negotiate.

there is no peace to de-stabilise. the country is out of control. if this chaotic situation were able to somehow be stabilised with the occupation forces still there then it wouldn't be peace, it'd be colonisation, which is what many iraqis don't want, and i don't blame them.

i don't favour them in that i don't favour their strategy of indiscriminate terrorism. i am opposed to murder full stop. while i don't favour it however, i do understand it. i totally support their desire to be free of an occupying army but i can't support terrorism. it was all pretty predictable really that it should turn out like this. the invasion was ill-advised and ill-prepared. i think i said my view that america bears the responsibility for the war makes it look to you like i favour one side.

well, it's always stimulating that's for sure.

 

The US has nothing to hold him on. The pictures are on a foreign server. All offences are taking place on foreign soil, which would be out of federal jurisdiction in this case. It's amazing how the religious conservatives try to streach the law to all parts of the world to try and create their own utiopia.

 

Whatever is on his server"which is in the netherland's " isnt the case. The case is what he has on his comp. here in the state's.