as earthlings ........ thinking.......... god is satan .........satan is god . i mean lucifer was thrown down from heaven (was he not ) ......has he decieved mankind to thinking god is satan "and satan is god ...........thoughts please .
Lucifer wasnt thrown down, the Opposer was. Lucifer was a popular Roman deity that was "demonized" by the Roman Church to turn his pagan followers against him. SO no he was not thrown down. I have a good theory on who the Opposer was. Its in my journal, or i could copy and paste it here. Up to you.
the name lucifer was used prior to christianity (or before pagans, or the respective culture was introduced to it), heron?
Yes the name Lucifer is an old Roman deity, based in the Indo-European root of Lu, also seen in the Gaulish deity Lugus, and the later incarnation in Ireland as Lugh. Lu(gh) means Shining or Light, and Lucifer means Light Bearer, the Morning Star. Lugh means shining one. THere ya go, Lucifer=old Indo-European name of Roman deity, not Hebrew Opposer, since its not even related to Hebrew in linguistics. Would you like me to copy my Opposer theory here?
Ok here goes. I have posted this is threads before, so if you have read it already, ignore it. But it fits here. El was the father god of Abraham and the Canaanite people, he was the supreme of the pantheon. The Hebrews were pantheists as well, even when they went back to worship of Ba'al while Moses was on Sinai. I think that El was the true god of Abraham, and that Yahweh came onto the scene when he confronted Moses in the Burning Bush. He said he was the god of Abraham, but refused to give a name. Moses believed him, and took his word back to Egypt. After the Exodus, Moses preached to the Hebrews that Yahweh was jealous and must be worshipped alone, acknowleding the reality of other gods, and they and Moses took covenent with Yahweh that they would worship him alone. Yahweh convinced Moses of who he was. Got the Hebrews to agree he is their one god, he literally chose them, that is why they are "Gods Chosen" Anyway, enter Elijah years later. Of and one the Jews kept their covenent with Yahweh. Elijah went to preach against their worship of Ba'al (who Yahweh had already absorbed) He challenged the 450 prophets, and alas was the winner. Since Ba'al was dead, by Yahweh, he couldnt participate. To prove his strength, Yahweh later sends a storm, after Elijah slaughtered Ba'al's priests of course (starting the whole killing in the name of god complex that Yahweists always fall back on) to show that he was indeed more powerful that Ba'al, the storm god. El was sort of distant, but Yahweh (El's "new self") was always eager to show off and rush to help, like people who do charity for the good name. The Hebrews eventually stuck with their convenent and became true monotheists. I used to theorize that Yahweh took a break after Jesus, and during the building of the Church, onlly to appear 600 years later to Mohammed. That the Christians were worshipping Jesus, while the Jews still worshiped Yahweh, and that he appeared later to the arabic tribes. But recent finds change my theory. Yahweh was always with the Jews. He chose them. But he was a con. He never was the god of Abraham, El was, and that he used Moses as a tool of propoganda, with all the credit he received in the books Moses wrote. Jesus was a prophet of El, telling the Jews to come back to their father, the father of their tribe. But the Jews were waiting on the prophet promised by Yahweh, which Jesus was not. El, the true god of Abraham, re-appeared to Mohammed, of the Ishmal line, as Al-lah. Once again becoming the supreme god to his people. The Arabs left their pantheons behind and worshipped their one true god of Abraham, Allah. The scholars say that El (canaanite god) was just the first name of Yahweh, and that he eventually became supreme over the pantheon. Yahweh was a war god of another pantheon of the time only to go on a quest to become a supreme god. His jealousy lead to the war in heaven, he wanted to be the Supreme. The story is flipped. The parts of the Bible that talk about the war in heaven was written by Moses, by Yahweh telling him the story. Yahweh, wanting to be the good guy, the God of Abraham, wanted to sound the best. He told of the war in heaven, of his opposer and how he was cast down. (dont worry of Lucifer,that name was added later by Romans) What happened in the war in heaven? The Supreme God (El) had his world, and his angels. But someone wanted all of that, someone wanted the glory. There was a war, and he was cast down. I think he (Yahweh) was cast down, and when he was, he went to Moses, convinced him who he was, and started on his way to becoming the Supreme God he wanted, through lies and propoganda. Think about it, first, again forget the names Set-an and Lucifer, both different gods of different cultures. Instead, concetrate on the "Opposer" that the Hebrew Scriptures speak of. What did the "Opposer" want? To be god, to have what El had, because he was jealous. What, based on this new polytheistic account of the OT, did Yahweh want? To be cause, because he was jealous. So there was a war in heaven, and the Opposer was cast down, then....there was a burning bush.
becasue Lucifer is the name Satan had when he was in Heaven...he was the most beautiful, colourful angel, he was the worship leader and his pride took over. When he was cast out, 1/3 of the angels went with him, who have been demons ever since.
^cool ideas man. Not sure if I agree (beyond this all being myth), but it's very interesting. First, why do you see El and Yahweh as two seperate gods? Second, does this mean Christians, who follow Jesus who followed El, worship the right god?
Trippin, technically there wouldnt be a "right" god. Tribal pagan people were known to leave one god for another if the later severed their purposes better. The Hebrews wanted a more hands on god, El was distant, Yahweh burst onto the scene and shot fire and sent plagues and showed he was there, like a god should right? Thats what they wanted, so Yahweh was what they needed. He was a good god to them, providing for them, though he ruled in a rather tyranical way, he still did what he said. The Christians would be worshipping the god of Abraham. The Hebrew tribal god. So which ones should, lets say an Irish Christian be worshipping? He should be worshipping the Gaulish tribal father god Belenous, or Bael. SO that said, that is why there isnt a "right" god. Because, though the christians are worshipping the god that Jesus taught, they arent worshipping their own Fathers. So who is right? El, and Yahweh are two different gods, El was the Father god of the Hebrew people, Husband to Asherah, father of Ba'al and Anat. Yahweh was a war god at the time, and served that purpose alone. El was a Father god, Asherah a fertility goddess and Ba'al a weather god. That is why Ba'al was so popular to argricultural people, and that is why Yahweh showed that he too could provide the rain. Seahorse, in regard to Lucifer, and Satan, Lucifer, the name, from the latin etymology, did not exist at the time the Old Testemant was being written. The Old Testement spoke of a Babylonian king, whos name was translated to mean Bringer of Dawn, so when translated to latin, Lucifer was used. King James used later latin translations for his own version, using Lucifer as the basis of the story. Satan, or Set-an, was an Egyptian god, who was taken with the the polytheistic Hebrews upon their exodus (remember about pagans adopting gods) and who became a scape goat for things. Satan is the hebrew version which came to mean "not of god" but in their polytheistic past, was thought of as the actual deity.
Personally, I think Moses was the propagandist and very clever although some shit did get out of hand.
