fall coming! need ideas for insulating windows

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  1. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    hey now, I have casement windows and they leaked heat like crazy last winet to the tune of $200 dollar heat bills. Gulp.
    I'm thinking of building an inside frame with a couple layers of window plastic. I really don't want to go down the duct tape on the outside path, and my sills are deep.then insulating tape to seal that.
    Does this sound logical?
    am I missing an easier solution for this renter?
     
  2. Zoomie

    Zoomie My mom is dead, ok?

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    Is this a bastement apartment? Are the windows that important to you in the wintertime? How many wondows are we talking about? Am I the only Home Improvements professional here? Hmmm...

    Message me, I can noodle this through for you...
     
  3. guy

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    i suppose you could create a small frame that holds some bubble wrap that fits the window perfectly. i'm thinking a wooden frame with some sort of thick material covering it to help seal and secure the frame into the window seal. if you decide on curtains make sure they fit against the windows closely and no gap is at the bottom of them or you'll start a convection current between window and curtain that will cool the place.

    you need some material on the floor, like some old carpet or something. you'll need to try and make sure you get some air into the rooms of a day.

    carpet and curtains are a must if you want to keep the heat in - oh yeah think about getting or making a draught excluder for the bottom of doors.
     
  4. shaggie

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    Check all the insulation foam around the windows and under the door. Replace it if necessary. Here's the Lowe's site:

    http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=howTo&p=Improve/Weatherstripping.html

    There's also shrink plastic that you can place over the inside of the window frame. It's similar to Saran wrap and keeps out drafts during winter and is removed in the spring.

    If the modification is permanent, like replacing the foam seals, you can usually get a tax break for it. If it's temporary, like the Saran wrap type seal, then you can't. (or at least that's how the rules were years ago)

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  5. drumminmama

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    shaggie, I'm a renter. I get no breaks and a crabby landlord. I fought with him for months to replace a window pane (on a double) that allowed huge drafts of cold in.

    What I've noticed in measuring is that the center of the casement (not basement, the crank-out type) is the large center pane is double (yay) so now I'm looking at something to cover the 1 foot sections on both ends. I need to be able to see out at least a small space on both as they are the home's main windows in the living area.
    In the basement, I'm breaking out lathe and plastic as the windows are not clear anyway.

    Zoomie: it's two casements. Both in the same room. One is north facing, one is south and gets sun all year. I'd like to abuse that part. I love them for ease of cleaning as I can do it all from inside, but Xcel Energy is upping nat. gas again. I barely made payments last year!
    I am getting thick curtains and I will lay then in the sill with weights on them as guy suggested.
    just trying to be frugal.
     
  6. guy

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    at the last place i lived in i stuck bubble wrap on the windows to keep the heat in. bubble wrap is freely available and can be salvaged from stuff. be aware of the whole fire danger of it - just incase anyone decides to try it.

    on another note. (this is a major digression) about 8 years ago i turned up to a place looking for prospective flatmates . in the room i was sat in talking to the tenant i noticed that despite the heaviest drapes and carpet i had ever seen the whole place was like a refridgerator. after a couple of minutes my suspicions grew and i asked the tenant outright if the place was haunted and she admitted there had been problems with the cutlery flying around etc. after another couple of minutes i was looking and moving around a small cojoined shed next to the kitchen where they figured all the trouble was, in the pitch dark. i've often found that talking about the problem at its epicentre cures it. anyway there was no way i was moving into the place - too much trouble, believe me i know! (no i'm not psychic or have any "abilities").

    at the moment i'm mulling over some ideas about how to heat some rooms using some salvaged components and without money - basically because i'm a tight arse.
     
  7. Zoomie

    Zoomie My mom is dead, ok?

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    Buibble wrap is a good idea, the sothern wall of the house should stay the warmest. Anything that will trap solar radiation at the southern window will increase your heat (i.e. plastic, plexiglass, etc) You can block the north facing window and fill the window well with rolled newspapers, army blankets, whatever as insulatory material.

    We heat with oil but I took a nice Vermont Castings wood stove in trade for some work and have a source for unlimited free firewood. Southern Maryland Oil can kiss my ass this winter.
     
  8. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    doesn't that feel great?
    I'm depriving the gasoline companies of 80 percent of what they used to get from me.
    unfortunately, Xcel is electric and natural gas. so I can use small electric heaters that cost less (and I plan to) but the same company and it's investors get my cash.
    One day I'll own and have a solar /wind/ passive solar system
     
  9. drumminmama

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    oh, I think I will use bubble wrap in the windows I'm completely covering. bubble wrap and foam core in four pieces that overlap: I can open for some diffused light or seal shut for dark!
     
  10. guy

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    the bubble wrap won't look pretty but it will help keep heat in. as i said be aware of candles near the stuff and heat sources - thats my disclaimer! good luck!
     
  11. drumminmama

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    no candles in the window wells. Gotcha.
    Actually, I only store candles in window sills. Flames and miniblinds sounds like a bad combo!

    Thanks for the ideas, all!
     
  12. freeinalaska

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    If you're going the bubble wrap way, check out that new high tech bubble wrap with the foil backing. It is said to have an incredibly high R factor for it's thickness.

    If you go lathe and plastic you can get some pretty thick, 6-8 mil, visquene that is really quite clear.
     
  13. drumminmama

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    really? (she says excitedly) as in I can see who would be coming up the walk?
    and the mylar backed bubblewrap sounds like my car's sun shade! I'll def look around.
    You guys rock!
     
  14. freeinalaska

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    Drumminmama, another step with the visqueen is to add sealant between the visqueen and the lathe, and the visqueen and the window sill. Minor air leaks can make all the difference. A tube of a product called Tremco (you will need a caulking gun) is what you could use. It is labled as acoustic sealant but is used to seal visquene vapor barriers in houses up here. It has been dubbed "black death" by contractors up here because if you make a black gooey mess it doesn't clean up.
     
  15. luvndrumn

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    HC, I used to live in an old house with windows that were great heat/cold exchangers. We cut plexiglass to each window's shape and then glued one side of velcro to the plexiglass and glued/stapled the other side to the sill. It cut down the heat loss dramatically as well as insultated against the drafts.
     
  16. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    plexiglass??/ that shits more exspensive than glass!!!!

    man luvndrum had cash to blow when he did that... ;)
     
  17. luvndrumn

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    I wasn't the one paying for it, so I don't know and I have no idea about the cost of plexi. So maybe it isn't what HC has in mind. It does work pretty well, though.
     
  18. drumminmama

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    I'm looking for something I can clear out quickly (renter..bleh)...but I see a lot of mostly clear plastic in dumpsters around. Time to get dirty.
    thanks for the ideas, all.
     
  19. Ms.CJ

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    Oh QUESTION.........I bought bubble wrap for my windows... how the heck do you put it on? What kind of glue? tape? I bought the roll with the big bubbles..this has to go on triangular windows that are close to the ceiling...single panes... AHHHHHHHHHHHH I need help.
     
  20. luvndrumn

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    I would suggest something like a sealant, especially one with adhesive qualities.
    Take a look at this. It might do what you want. It or whatever you get needs to bond to both the wrap and whatever the surface is on the window side.
     
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