Osama and 9-11 Why?

The situation in 2005 and the future.. james , that is what matters.. ..

http://usinfo.state.gov/gi/Archive/2005/Aug/30-407602.html

Govermental spin i imagine

 

well, our streets are once again awash in heroin and they weren't during the period of the taliban regime and shortly thereafter.

 

http://usinfo.state.gov/gi/Archive/.../30-407602.html
the words to watch here are: 'production is down only 2%' in 2005'. oh yeah, right.

 

The total opium production this year [2002] has been estimated at about 3,400 tons, compared with 185 tons in 2001 the result of the Taliban ban.
http://opioids.com/afghanistan/2002.html

Poppy cultivation in Afghanistan doubled between 2002 and 2003 to a level 36 times higher than in the last year of rule by the Taliban, according to White House figures released Friday.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/11/28/afghanistan.drugs.reut/

so if production went from 185 tons (at its lowest point of production pre-us invasion) to 3,400 tons in 2002 (post-invasion), that's an increase of 1800%, doubles the following year in 2003, making it an increase of 3600% on taliban figures, then drops 2% the following year in 2004 that's probably nothing to sing and dance about.

the obvious reality here is that wherever the cia goes heroin or cocaine production follows shortly therafter.

 

Just noticing that this thread has begun to sound very much like "mainstream america". Endless discussion over details that are just opinions and excuses anyhow. Imagine the time and energy it must take to get SO caught up all the propaganda. Personally, the minute I heard about 9-11 on the radio that morning, my gut response without even having to think about it was, "George really did it this time!" I didn't need to hear all the "details", real or dreamed up. Well, so maybe bin whats-his-face or someone else DID come up with the initial idea, because it was quite an impressive show. George ain't smart enough to think up such a great plan on his own, even if it was totally transparent....

Needless to say, I ain't buyin' the official story.

I've surfed around lots of different forums all over the net, and I notice that folks from the UK seem to have a different (strange) way of thinking and expressing themselves that tends to make for good fodder for disagreements. Not sure why that is, probably environmental. No point in discussion, it inevitably seems to go to arguement. Ah, well.

Well, now that I got everybodies panties in a bunch, I'll go back to my usual forums for now. Everybody needs a bit of a shock from time to time to keep them from becoming comatose.

 

No you did not hurt my feelings..it is great having a Queen.
I know what is being discussed won't be resolved.. I appreciate we won't probably go ''You know what ***** your spot on.. how dumb am i''... It does happen every now and again..but generaly its just 'friendly' twoing and frowing.. I only attacked you so adamantly, because you were being a jackass.. ''join in or fuck off'' as we like to say in England .

 

glad to be of service love.

 

The number of hectares devoted to opium poppy cultivation in Afghanistan declined 21 percent from 2004 to 2005, but the production of opium itself was down only 2 percent, according to a report issued August 29 by the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC).



Antonio Maria Costa, director of UNODC, said the decline in cultivation can be attributed to farmers heeding the official ban on the crop. Costa linked the Afghan pursuit of democracy [bit rose tinted i have to admit] to rejection of the cultivation of opium poppy.

The decline in opium production does not correspond to the sharp reduction in cultivated land because of favorable weather conditions that led to a greater yield per hectare, UNOCD found.

The Afghan government continues to pursue an eradication campaign and destroyed more than 5,000 hectares planted in opium poppy in 2005.

 

I am sure you have 'heard it said' .. You raise a good point, It could be that it is true.
Seems a bit daft reducing the yeald though..? [even if it is 2%] . That must have a knock on effect to the overall economics ?.

UNODC is assisting the international community to commit additional resources in favour of rural development, a major deterrent to drug cultivation. "500 million dollars have been committed to the Afghan countryside for 2005/06. The international community must have the wisdom to fight drugs and poverty simultaneously," said the Executive Director.

The decline in cultivation was uneven across the 34 provinces of Afghanistan, thus an indication that Provincial Governors were not all equally committed to the cause of drug control, in some cases actually being part of the problem. "The fact that in certain provinces of Afghanistan, Nangarhar for example with its -93%, cultivation has all but disappeared, tell us that the opium economy can be contained," said Costa. "Temporary gains can be made into permanent change by making sure food security and income generation programmes coincide with the destruction of opium crops."

 

I appreciate that [and never thought i did].. but you adding ''AHM OUTTA HERE....[bullshit thread]'' was rude....I am not narrow minded, thats why i am actually talking about things and trying to see things from other peoples perspective.. You probably should have 'moved on' before you decieded to add a post within this thread.. oh well never mind.

 

It would be interesting for you too share your point of view.. I very much doubt you would be investigated for your views... having said that ''i really don't feel Usama is either'' might push a few boundaries i think the most that will happen is you get yourself banned.. but having read some of Skips posts, this is unlikely .. hell i am interested now...come on don't be a spoil sport.

 

I did say it was unlikely..
Your just being a pussy *clucks like a chicken* not enlightening us with your view...Unless you have a OBL follower or himself in your basement..you have bugger all to worry about.
Not airing your views is avoiding being up for some ridicule [maybe]...come on

We may never know..

I am not generalising about OBL...and don't think he is a good role model for the Islamic faith..

'freedom fighters' don't kill the people they are supposed to be 'freeing' neither do they proclaim jihad on infidels and interprete the Qur'an any wich way they please... Does the Qur'an legitimise anything these lovely 'freedom fighters' are doing ?.

 

oh.... its the middle of the afternoon here

 

c ya [the long goodbye]

 

Why not start your own threads ?? [with creative and imaginative topics ] Or just send me a PM or something .. . I can't fathom what would so controversial abouty your POV.. but yeah the offers their if you wish.

I think most people realise that his followers think him as a freedom fighter..thats not rocket science..

 

What’s your point?

This is not just a simple white hat, black hat kind of thing there are many different groups in Iraq today with many agendas, and that includes the US faction.

The question is who will people blame more in this instance? The insurgents that fired the rocket or the coalition forces that created the conditions that mean these people can fire rockets and who have continually failed to bring order or a decent infrastructure?