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"i wasn't ever 'born again', i was born into christianity"

-You may have been born into a Christian family but that doesn't make you a Christian. You have to personally ask Jesus in order to become a member of his family. If you sincerily do so, his spirit will supernaturally enter your body which will seal you eternity.

 

queenannie,

"I understand I have to be forgiven of my sins and all it takes it asking sincerely, and I can do that. But after that, I'm not sure what's expected of me. What is sin, exactly, and what does God say in regard to how I am supposed to live? I sure don't want to do this halfway."

-I could write out a Big long explanation... but I think this lay out says it best.



First here is link on how to get saved
http://r-campbell34.tripod.com/thelife/id2.html


And here is a guideline on what to do after you are saved


1. GO TO CHURCH!


It is good to get in a church to learn more about Jesus. There are people there who can help build you up spiritually and lead you in your times of trouble. Find a church that fits your lifestyle. If you like wilder music and more outgoing things, go to a more charasmatic church. If you like lighter style music, and are less outgoing go to a more reserved church. It is very important that you go to a church that dosen't go against ANYTHING in the Holy Bible or that adds or removes anything in the Bible. (Finding a good church may not be easy)

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.


2. BAPTISM


Now, make a covenant to God through baptism (fully immersing yourself in water). Baptism represents the very elements of the good news. This is an outward proclamation of an inward reality that you have died to your old self and been raised again! You can be babtized at your church.

Acts 2:38,9 Repent and be baptized, everyone of you for the forgiveness of sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. This promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off-for all whom the Lord our God will call.


3. PRAY!


Prayer is simply talking to God. You can pray anytime, anywhere and you can talk to God just like you talk to anyone else. When you talk to God you may ask for forgiveness of your sins, thank him for your blessings, and ask for requests. He will always hear and answer your prayers. The answer may not always be yes(as far as requests go), but he will hear your prayer.

Luke 18:1 And he spoke a parable to them to this end, that men should always pray...

1 Thessalonians 5:17 - Pray without ceasing.


4. READ THE BIBLE!


I suggest the "The Message" or "New International Version(NIV)" Bible translations. They are more modern translations of the Bible and are extremely easy to understand. They can be found at any Christian Book Store. Try reading either Matthew, Mark, Luke, John first and then read Romans. The Gospels tell the story of Jesus. Romans is a letter Paul wrote to Romans that talks about the basics of Christianity.

Romans 10:17 - Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness...


5. TURN FROM YOUR OLD WAYS AND OBEY GOD!

Now that you are Christian dosen't mean you don't have any fun, just don't sin and do what you think Jesus would do. The Bible tells us all that we should and should not do and gives Jesus as a perfect example of what's right. Romans discusses this issue of "Now that I'm a Christian, can I sin as much as I want now?" (of course, the answer is no).

Job 36:11 If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures.

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

6. WITNESS TO OTHERS!

Tell others of what you find so they too can find this awesome gift.

Mark 16:15 - And he said to them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

 

Wooo!! I did not click "here" I clicked on the "last page" which didn't say whether I should click there or not - thus I found better way to ruin your evil reverse psychology mind game,

 

Heed not the self-righteous one who pretends to hold the key to eternity; the door stands open for all, and many paths lead there. I will pray for you, misguided believer.
Know that Jesus abhors the treacherous attempts at the closing of the gateway in his name.

For the one who ask a simple question, the Oracle answers:
The lesson of the life and death of Jesus is the lesson of sin within they own heart. When it comes too pass that a human sins, a small death occurs within thine own heart. Only forgiveness offers ressurection of the soul.

And the prophet implores all to seek forgiveness for our tresspasses from those we have offended. Only then may we forgive ourselves and know the peace of Jesus.

 

one question my darling: was that aimed at me? because I know not whether to reply to it or not in case it wasn't.

I have to say I like the way you speak.. type..

 

"Heed not the self-righteous one who pretends to hold the key to eternity; the door stands open for all, and many paths lead there. I will pray for you, misguided believer.
Know that Jesus abhors the treacherous attempts at the closing of the gateway in his name."


Yeah, TheProphetoftheWord who are you aiming that towards. The information that I have given is based off the Bible.

You say many paths lead to eternity, well Jesus must have been a liar because he claims he is the only way.

You talk about Jesus, but the rest of what you say I am not so sure its Biblical... Are you a Christian?

 

Mr. Prophet:

Who are you talking to? Why are you a prophet and oracle? What can you say to verify that you are?
If you are, it would be nice of you to speak a little plainer. I understand exactly what you say and know it to be true. But the ones you are the most interested in communicating with, the ones that don't know, would just be further confused. That defeats the purpose. As well, you come across as "self-righteous" yourself. I'm sure you're not, but if you use the same language as the "self-righteous", you're not going to get results.

Campbell34:
Nice website, I assume it is yours? Very attractive, the light green letters are hard on the eyes, the dark olive works much better.
But still vague about sin. I'm wanting to know what you say. Not anyone else. I'll tell you this: You've got to stop borrowing the words and beliefs of others. They will steer you wrong. I'm not going to tell you what to believe, either. I know that's up to you. But you don't realize that choosing the system of others, even rearranging a custom package, is not the same as discovering your own.

I will pray you understand what I mean. I think you are a true person with a lovely heart. "christian" is what you call it. But you're not yet original. Other peoples ideas will get you screwed up. Like about the links on your page to that stuff about Israel. That is contrivations and misuderstood assumptions about how to read the bible. I mean read it to understand it. It's not about the people called Jews who came out of Israel. It's about God's poeple. For that generation, they just happened to be in one tribe. Every generation is different. The word doesn't mean generation like we think of it. It is mankind's period between exodus's. 'Exodus' is not an exclusive name for the flight out of egypt. The land of milk and honey is not the gaza strip. It is the eternal home where G-d lives!
We are on the threshold of the next Exodus, and that's why its vital everyone thinks for themselves now, because it's every man for himself, in a sense. Only you and G-d can know if you are chosen for the exodus. If you are, you'll know what to do. If you're not inside your head with Him, out there adopting the misconceptions of other group-thinkers, you'll miss the boat. Remember another Exodus, when Noah was the chosen people?
A lot of people missed the boat.

Do you understand me?

 

queenannie,

"Nice website, I assume it is yours? Very attractive, the light green letters are hard on the eyes, the dark olive works much better.
But still vague about sin. I'm wanting to know what you say. Not anyone else. I'll tell you this: You've got to stop borrowing the words and beliefs of others. They will steer you wrong."

-I put out these ideas because I agree with them and they are worded better then I could write them. Although I did write some parts, the website is mainly compilation of key parts from other websites that form the message I am trying to say. Thats is: what the Bible says about the future, the proof of the Bible, and the way the Bible says to live our life. I like it this way because if they are intrested in a particular area they can research further on the base website.

I do not see how other people can lead me wrong if they follow the Bible. It is possible to learn on your own but sometimes you have to go to the experts, the ones who have deeply analyzed the Bible, to find what you are looking for.

I am not so sure what you want to know about sin. Please ask questions. But here is my sin speech...

Everyone is born into sin. We sin everyday. The only way to wash away these sins are to truly accept Jesus into your heart-to get saved. Most of the word has not accepted the sacrifice and therefore most people have sins that are unwashed. Although after you are saved you are still going to be tempted and your are going to fall-even Christians are not perfect. However, true Christians will make an attempted not to fall into sin and will try to fight their sinful ways. This shows God who really loves him and who His true believers are.



Which part are you talking about in regards of Israel on my website??

 

What qualifies them as 'experts'? Because they say they are, because they say they know what you cannot know, except through the explanations of them?

Give me a literal example from an average joe's every day life that demonstrates 'sin'.
How exactly does a 'sinful way' manifest itself?

The part talking about how Israel became a nation in 1948, and how the bible says "before this generation shall pass away."
These are literal misunderstandings of the whole story behind 'Isreal', which BTW, means 'man who sees G-d', not a name of a physical nation or population.
The bible is not meant as a literal story book with a moral at the end that every Dick and Jane that reads it can automatically understand and process. A lot of the so-called experts have no inkling whatsoever how to 'decode' the bible's message, and their handed-down superstitions and beliefs have tainted their understanding, prohibiting some of the basic principles necessary for comprehending the presentation of the true message. It is not a literal textbook. It is an allegorical textbook which is rendered useless when dissected to death (or, 'deeply analyzed') in the manner of today's biblical 'scholars' and commentaries.
The deepness of the bible is not analytical, it is symbolic and emblematic.

Matthew 15
Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8" 'These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.' "

13He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."

 

queenannie,


"What qualifies them as 'experts'? Because they say they are, because they say they know what you cannot know, except through the explanations of them?"
-First off you left out the key word in quoting me-sometimes. How would u determine an expert? I would say not someone who says they know more than me but someone who has had schooling and has a career in that specific field. Such as a Bible theologian. However, basing your view just on these experts views is not enough. A person should do their own research.



"It is not a literal textbook. It is an allegorical textbook which is rendered useless when dissected to death (or, 'deeply analyzed') in the manner of today's biblical 'scholars' and commentaries.
The deepness of the bible is not analytical, it is symbolic and emblematic."
-Your thoughts concerning Israel and the Jewish people not being literal are way off base. The Bible from the beginning was not an allegory and we no this from the archaeological evidence. People who believe this ignore the obvious because they do not want the Bible to be a literal guide for their life. The Bible speaks the truth but those who call it allegory have found a word to deny that truth.


Matthew 15
Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8" 'These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.' "


-What I am talking about here has nothing to do with the traditions of men. The fact is most churches do not even talk about this. The things that I am speaking of here are straight from the Bible. I am not talking about rules, but prophectic truth.

 

There are no experts. Schooling and career is just more 'traditions of men'. A person must do their own research. I'm not saying not to listen to anyone else, but don't assume for any reason anyone knows any more than you can.

How do you know?

Allegory means 'a story in which people, things, and events have a hidden or symbolic meaning: allegories are used for teaching or explaining ideas, moral principles, etc.'
Parables are stories made up to teach, an allegory can be a true story. I totally believe the things in the bible happened, although not because of any physical evidence. There are a lot of unsolved incongruencies in the field of biblical archeology, mainly because of trying to date events and identifying places and people by literal translation of what is written.
I digress. My point is, all the things really happened, but the bible tells them as 'stories' not 'history' as we're familiar with and expect. There are lessons in the telling, but unless you look at it in an allegorical manner, you will miss them. I'll have to explain when I've got more time.
I do use the bible for a literal guide for my life, and by saying it is allegorical in its teaching, I have found more truth, rather than deny it.
But I didn't understand how that could be when I once was saying the things you are.

But how did you come to understand the things you are speaking of? By delving in alone, with the blessing of G-d, or by applying what you've been told to what you read? The reason I say this is because your words have the distinctive sound of what's come to be expected from the clergy and evangelists. It's all rather circular and vague, without any bottom line that is conclusive to the listener.

 

this thread is now not a debate, but an amusement. cambell is a fuckin joke, and i'm sure that many here would agree.

 

word my man

 

So did you hear the one about the new guy at the lumberjack camp?

He arrives in the afternoon, so with nothing else to do until sun-up, he goes to the camp saloon for a drink and to see what the camp's all about.

He sits at the bar, and as he's drinking his beer, the bartender pauses and chats a little every chance he gets. The bartender takes his job seriously, and does his best to inform all greenhorns on camp ways, both for the benefit of the greenhorn and the camp at large.

At one point, he lowers his voice and says to the greenhorn, in a conspiratorial whisper, 'You see those two guys over in the corner, the ones wearing matching orange turtlenecks?'

The greenhorn spots these guys and nods to the bartender.

'Never, ever, and I repeat, never, get drunk to the point of passing out when those two are lurking about. You'll sure be sorry, in ways you can't begin to figure.'

'Oh yeah, what do you mean, then?' asks the greenhorn.

'Well, suffice it to say, if you're fool enough to drink yourself into a stupor, they'll wait until you pass out, throw you in their little wheelbarrow that they keep out back, and take you outside and have all their deviant little ways with you. It's sick, it truly is. The only reason they are allowed to stay is their aunt is the mad-wack bitch that owns this operation. Just watch yourself, man,' and with that said, the bartender walks off and starts his nightly cleanup.

A few months go by, no problems, and the guy loses the green from his horns. No problems, that is, until his birthday arrives. He's hasn't forgotten what the bartender said about the turtleneck wierdos. Everything else he heard from him was of great benefit so far.

The truth is, sometimes the liquor licks even the best man. That is what happened on this particular lumberjack's birthday. Hiram, Jim, and Jack snuck up on the ole boy, and before he realized it, he was snockered face down into a bowl of peanuts, sitting in the corner of the bar when closing time arrived.

The bartender observed the turtle twins exchange a gleeful glance, while one ran out back to get the wheelbarrow, and together the duo loaded up their prize. The bartender just shook his head as he continued wiping down the bar.

When the fallen lumberjack blearily opens an eye, he observes that he's in a moving wheelbarrow, and walking in front of him he sees one blue turtlenecked twin.

'Hey, hey, man, don't take me out back!' he cries with alarm.

From behind him the voice of the other turtleneck says, 'Dude, we're not taking you out, we're bringing you back in.'

 

There are no experts. Schooling and career is just more 'traditions of men'. A person must do their own research. I'm not saying not to listen to anyone else, but don't assume for any reason anyone knows any more than you can.

-So that means if you do your own research on being a doctor, you can do the same job as a Doctor. Thanks but no thanks. I'll take the trained doctor. To you college is only good for the title. You can learn everything you learn in college by yourself. Go to the Library, study hard, and become a doctor.



In regards to the Israel and 1948, who do you think the fig tree is of Matt. 24:32?




"GoD"

"this thread is now not a debate, but an amusement. cambell is a fuckin joke, and i'm sure that many here would agree."

-I tell you what the Bible says and you think I am am crazy. Jesus describes it best...

"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.-John 15:18

 

Why not? Only problem is arranging clinicals, but then there's always the morgue...
I am a registered nurse, and I'll tell you this: a large portion of doctors become such for no reason related to actual desire to doctor others. Prestige, family expectations, whatever. More and more of them have little or no instincts or intuitions, not to mention compassion, and they can't even look at the whole picture, they take 2 minutes of patient interview, cast a cursory glance at the patient, listen to a breath, check out the lab results and order more and more medicines. And that's the way it is, I give you my word. I trust them not with my life, and watch them real close with my mom's. And yeah, go to the library and study. The most capable man for the job is the truly educated man who is humble and who taught himself out of the desire to know.

Why would I trust someone else with my soul when I won't even trust someone with my life (and I'm not scared to die)?!?!? It's foolish.

The fig tree doesn't represent a person, or people, it is an instruction to be watching the passing 'seasons' so that we may know when the end of the Age is near. Although we cannot know the exact day and hour, there is no reason not to see it coming, and be ready.

He's referring to the start of the growing season, at the end of which comes the time for harvest.
Revelation 14:15-16
Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, "Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." 16So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.

Do you see?

Besides, if Jehovah led the Israelites out of Egypt, so long ago, making them his people, then why did they have to wait until 1948 to become an official country? What authority greater than G-d's deemed that year the time they actually, officially became a nation? That doesn't even make any sense!

Generation in the bible is not the way we consider it, as I said. Generations are roughly as follows (I'm not totally accurate, but enough to demonstrate what I mean)
Adam
Noah
Abraham
Jacob (Israel)
Jesus

A generation is like an age, about the same amount of time. Through until Jacob and the twelve tribes, it was a family thing. But Jesus came to usher in the Piscean age, and at that time the 'nation of isreal' was no longer a private club whose members were only those of the lineage. Jesus bled into the earth, and now we are all elgible to be one of the twelve tribes, in preparation for the next Exodus!!!

Do you understand the difference in literal and allegorical yet?

 

Abraham was justified through faith. So am I.

 

War, murders, kidnappings, etc. are caused by God. Who are you to judge an action?

God is God. Jesus is an alarm clock.

 

You know, I've heard that said many times, and I think I understand it, in a general sense, but not completely. Would you be so kind to explain it so that I can say it with authority, too? I really like it but hesitate to talk out of my ass by saying something I don't quite understand. :&

 

Complete faith comes from a deep understanding of God. To know that God is the one being that has molded you and guides every step of your life, including your exposure to death, disease, war, famine, and every conversation you have engaged in (whether for or against God). To know that the actions you take that effect others have a definate purpose behind them, and that they will have a positive benefit on others even if you or the other individual does not recognize the positive effect at the time of the action.