Did anyone see Dr. Phil's 'Being Gay' episode?

Well I just happened to stumble across it today and saw this guy who swears that he was 'cured' from his homosexuality and is now a celibate priest. Another guy, (who is gay) said that there is no way someone can just "stop being gay." (Which I agree). The priest "ex-gay" (as he was referred to) said that this guy just wasn't trying hard enough and compared homosexuality to alcoholism in that you had to TRY and overcome this. And a lot of people in the stupid audience clapped whenever the priest said something "insightful." Did anyone see this episode? It made me really frustrated that people so frequently compare homosexuality to a "disease." Like you can get a vaccine and prevent it or something. Well, I totally disagree with what the priest had to say. I'm just wondering, what do you think?



dariah

 

I've been through an ex-gay program and underwent counseling. I've also tried fasting and having evangelical Protestants lay hands on me to be "delivered" from homosexual. These days, I'm gayer than ever and quite happy about it.

Attention, all crazy straight people: It's not a disease!!!

 

Wait a minute.

You said that guy was "cured" and became a priest? Was he Catholic?

Because Catholicism doesn't teach that homosexuality is unnatural or cureable. They just teach that gay sex is wrong, probably because their "every sperm counts" additude. (Yes, I know about Leviticus, too, but I personally don't believe that that line has anything to do with it. No one even reads Leviticus anymore. There are things in Leviticus the Catholic Church wouldn't dream of inforcing) The "homosexuality is unnatural and is either a choice or an illness" additude is a Protestant thing. Protestants teach gays that they need to find a cure for their "disease" (though different denominations have different additudes on this- some Protestant groups are very supportive of the gay community). Catholics teachs gays to be celibate, yes, that's why so many gay Catholics join a monastary or a convent. But they don't teach that it can be cured.

As it turns out, there's an entire group of Catholics who want to have a priest named Mychal Judge, who was gay, be recognized as a saint, because of the work he did helping the community and because he died working with the firefighters on 9-11. There's actually a church in Texas, I think, named after him.

This just bothers me because this is a guy with influence and he doesn't even understand his own religion's belief system, yet they're letting him teach it.

I, of course, don't agree with either stance- that homosexuality is wrong, or that gay sex is wrong. I think that it's a natural thing and that telling a gay person he can't date or have sex (or marry) is basically denying a human being from being human. We all need love: to feel love and to be loved. It's really that simple.

 

I made a point of not watching the show, because I knew it would put me in a twitch. Reading your review of the episode, I was right to avoid it. lol. Bah...

 

Wow. That's... gay.

Then again, I never had much respect for priests, anyway.

 

I don't like dr. phil, what a hack, ummm quack ?

 

How does becoming a priest equate to becoming heterosexual?

They are two separate things.

A homosexual can be just as celibate as a heterosexual.

 

damnit, I wish I would have seen it.. I love how Dr.Phil calls himself a psychologist, and yet he has this kind of shit on his show. What an ignorant bastard.

 

Actually the bible is open to interpretation, and its okay if you ignore certain parts. There are some crazy things in the bible, but sane people understand that they should ignore those, and focus on all the good things in the bible. Also, Catholicism is pretty accepting, they like to take people in, and they don't really like to kick people out, especially this guy, who people think should be a saint. The Vadican doesn't have any real power over a Catholic church in Texas anyway. I think its a good thing that the priest was homosexual.

As for Doctor Phil, he is an idiot.


People who say homosexuality is a disease are stupid, because first of all they have no proof, and second a disease is something that is wrong with the body, the word they are looking for is disorder.

Homosexuality isn't a disorder because
1. It doesn't do anything bad to you or your personality, unlike say Schizotypal disorder, or Schizophrenia.
2. It occurs in nature in every species of mammals, not sure about bats though.
3. It has yet to be disproven.
4. It has been proven its not a disorder.
5. Theres no proven cause of it, if it was a disorder.


Things like that are made up by stupid Christian fundies immaginations and should be ignored and unaccepted, and for the most part are.

 

I think it's good that people want Mychal Judge to be sainted. He was a good person and he deserves recognition. I was refering to the guy who went on Dr. Phil's show- he bothers me,

The guy who went on Dr. Phil's show is an ass. I know that the bible can be interpreted differently, but a priest telling a person that they can change their sexuality is still flat out wrong.

Then again, anyone who goes on Dr. Phil is an ass.

Including Dr. Phil.

 

I know the other guy that was claiming that homosexuality cannot be cured. His name is Justin and he is the founder of The Gay Christian Network, which I am also a member of. Justin had meant to have a link to his site be mentioned on the Dr. Phil show, but they edited it out and never bothered to mention it.

The other man on the show pissed me off as well. I can't stand it when people treat homosexuality like it's a disease. It's people like that that keep us from making much progress in the fight for equality, let alone acceptance among other Christians.

But Justin is different. He created a site especially for Gay Christians. So drop in and have a look sometime.

http://www.gaychristian.net

 

It's interesting that this priest on Dr. Phil is a priest in the first place...

As of now, the Church doesn't support gay men becoming priests. They're currently finishing up a document that deals with ordaining gay men to the priesthood and it has been a very debateable issue.

They are thinking about allowing gay men to become priests if they prove worthy of being celibate.
This is very hypocrticial, however. Heterosexual men must struggle to remain celibate when they become priests, too. I don't know why they need to stress this issue for homosexual priests. I don't know if they're concerned because they'll be living with other men or something but it all comes down to the Church's belief system.

Now, why this man is a priest if he was "originally" a homosexual, I don't know. But he probably hid his homosexuality or maybe this was before he was ordained.

Also interesting to note that several surveys believe 64% of priests are potential homosexuals...I wonder if this is a defense mechanism to hide their true identity...

 

was that the one where he was like

"being a homo is wrong, it makes your asshole bleed and is the number one cause of shitting your pants disorder"

or somthing like that.....

 

We had a documentry on in britain a while ago that sounds kind of similar to this, it was called "Sad to be gay", it was about a gay guy who went somewhere in the U.S (not sure where) to go on one of these 'ex-gay' courses. It was really odd, it was almost as if they were trying to train him to be straight, and they made him make a lifeline with the main things that happened in his life written on it and then looked trying to see the things in his life that might have made him gay. It was really bizarre.

I'm glad to say that at the end of it this guy decided the course wasn't for him and that it wasn't so bad being gay after all. It was a strange program though, I didn't like the thought of it.

 

Some of those antigay priests believe that people become gay because of something that happened in their life. I know that some think people become gay because they lacked role models (parents) of the same gender as them, due to the parents not being there, not paying attention to them, or always being away.

Its not true though, because they've found plenty of counter examples, and I am sure that most of you reading this are counter examples (meaning you had parents who payed attention to you).

 

Yeah, fuck him. He's pushing his own agenda and people are eating it up like cows..

 

I don't understand how you can "train" someone to be straight? How exactly is that done? Is it done with electic shocks? Or scooby snacks? I can just imagine some religious right winged extremist idiot slapping a homosexual man the hand and saying, "NO! YOU LIKE PUSSY!!! PUSSSSSSSY!!!!!!! Say it with me, 'I LIKE PUSSY!!!'"

If you don't like it, YOU DON'T LIKE IT! How the fuck are you supposed to get someone to like something they never liked in the first place! If it was so easy to train someone to be straight, then it must be equally easy to train someone to be gay as well.

 

That'd cause a riot.

 

so what was dr phil's stance on the subject, anyone know?

S