Jesus was married to … and his descendants are in …

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by catstevens, Oct 30, 2005.

  1. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Hi everyone :), I hope you are all fine and happy Amen
    I watched a documentary programme about (unlocking Davenchi's code) on National Geographic channel today.
    (Unlocking Davenchi's code) actually is a book, perhaps you know about it, any way it says that perhaps Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene and his and her descendants are in London, they mentioned the family name which I am not sure how should I spell it.
    They said that there are some manuscripts which I think the churches don't accept it or something the like, those manuscripts can be found in Egypt I believe, and you can find things regarding Jesus and his relationship with Mary in those manuscripts. A father said that there isn't a verse in the gospel NT or OT which says that Jesus (P.B.U.H) was married or single.
    I wish you would be able to watch the programme and to hear your opinion after watching it.


    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  2. ryupower

    ryupower NO capcom included

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    The Da Vinci code? Yes, we know about that...

    Hate to burst your bubble, - but that book had so many errors and mistakes in it...

    ...I'll check the link in a moment. :)

    ( BTW: I like National Geographic! It's got pretty pictures! ^_^ )
     
  3. Cerberus

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    Da Vinci code may have errors, but it's not the first to suggest jesus was married and had a child.

    There is better research on it than that book.
     
  4. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    lets see it
     
  5. spook13

    spook13 Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    It stands to reason that Jesus could have been married and had a child before the age of 30. What was the average lifespan of a hard-working peasant in that part of the world 2,000 years ago...maybe 40 years? I think it's reasonably accurate to guess that these people married in their mid to late teens and had two or three kids by the time they were 20, if the women survived childbirth. It's entirely feasible that this could have been the case with Jesus...he could have essentially lived a whole life by the time he was 30. If he stayed in Nazareth and worked as a carpenter, as we were taught in Sunday school, he had plenty of time to have been been married and lost both wife and child long before he began his period of ministry.


    Please, don't take this as an attempt to debunk Christianity, diminish Jesus Christ, or to start a discussion about DaVinci Code...it's just a novel, intended to entertain and get attention with a controversial hypothesis as its central idea.
     
  6. IronGoth

    IronGoth Newbie

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    OMG people have been on about this forever.

    Some people have read into him serving the wine at that wedding bit where he did the conjuring trick (water into wine) that he was the groom, cause it was the custom that the GROOM put out the plonk.
     
  7. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Thank you, but No, it wasn't something new or bubble, that's why I wrote

    And of course the channel made this documentary after the publishing of the book, which means it wasn't new news.
    Actually, I can't find time to watch TV recently L I am too busy, but how I knew about this programme is by one of my relatives who knows that I love Jesus p.b.u.h , he told me that national channel is broadcasting a programme regarding Jesus p.b.u.h, although at the time I was busy, but I left every thing in my hand to watch it, J Jesus deserves it, doesn't he.

    BTW: Back to work!! But you're 15 years old? [Was that meddling?]


    Can you lead me to it or name it to Jesus's fan? :), what did that research end with? The results, he was married? If the results that he was single name it, if the results that he was married based on insubstantial stuffs then don't name it to me.


    OMG! Diminish Jesus p.b.u.h, May Allah takes my soul before I do this. I just want to know members's opinions. What I know that the author's evidences are insubstantial. There isn't anything to diminish Jesus P.b.u.h. and if he was married that doesn't diminish him at all.

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    What I know personally as a Muslim that he wasn't married, but I will check on the matter more some day, I will try to look for a prophetic saying regarding this.
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  8. TrippinBTM

    TrippinBTM Ramblin' Man

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    Cat, BTW means "by the way", not "back to work". Just so ya know.

    As far as Jesus being married, well, yes, they did marry young, and I think it was a law (whether from the Jewish Law or just culturally something everyone did) that a man had to be married and have kids, even the rabbis and priests did. And since we have no notion as to what Jesus was doing until he was 30 (a good portion of his life, mind you, as life expectancy was much less then), well, it stands to reason he was married. I also don't believe he'd have to "lose" his wife and kids (as someone suggested) before his ministry. From what I've heard, it sounds like some of the deciples were married and had homes which they did not give up. No reason to think Jesus didn't either. But of course there is little proof, so it will likely just remain speculation.
     
  9. gnrm23

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    jesus is called "rabboni" in the scriptures...
    rabbis were married men
    jesus was married
    q.e.d.

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    & "average lifespan" by definition includes infant mortality... & when 1 in 5 children die before their 3rd birthday... well, you do the math...
    it is written "three score & ten are the years alotted to man"... & 70 years ain't too bad an age even now, mmmm?
     
  10. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Thanks :)
    Thank you for sharing us your opinions.
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    Anyway, Jesus (p.b.u.h) will come back someday, I will ask him if I still alive :) Amen
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  11. ryupower

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    lol, I'll use that sometime, thanks cat for the idea ( I'm talking about BTW BTW)
     
  12. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    :) You are very welcome ryupower, for you only I will cede my copyrights. ''You get it'', but I think I am not sure that some one preceded me, so it isn't my copyright honestly :)
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  13. MrRee

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    There are plenty of books that come to similar conclusions. Try reading these books, any of which will provide evidence (as opposed to supposition) ~
    "The Jesus Mysteries; Jesus and The Goddess" Freke & Gandy 2 books
    "The Bible Fraud" trilogy Tony Bushby trilogy
    "The Templar Revolution" Picknell & Prince
    "Bloodline of the Holy Grail" Laurence Gardner
     
  14. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    MrRee
    Thank you very much :)
    If we will be alive, in Jesus' return we will now the truth.
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  15. ryupower

    ryupower NO capcom included

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    Gotcha! ;)
     
  16. MrRee

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    Maybe catstevens, but the question will always remain ~ what if "he" never comes back, that "he" was a lie made up by a murderous Roman Emperor and his empire saving Holy Roman Catholic Church?

    Discoveries made by the Catholic priest Edmund Szekely in archives of the Vatican in 1937 were enough for him to renounce his religion. These discoveries provided evidence that the writings upon which christianity stands are not authentic records, but premeditated forgeries.
    At some time all people should seriously consider just what it is they're betting their lives on!
    The wise man builds upon a solid foundation, not a shaky belief!
     
  17. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    MrRee

    Oooooh!
    :(
    I swear to you he will be back and he is real. Just wait. I know my swearing isn't a proof :( , I don't know if you believe in God or belong to a religion, but to me the proof is as long as I believe in Quraan as the word of God then I should believe in Jesus, 'cause I am sure that Quraan 1000000% is from Allah and I have my proofs, anyway If you don't mind, what is your belief?

    Did he become atheist? Is he alive? If so, where can I find him (website, E-mail, fax etc) :(
    For Muslims the Qur’an is the last but not the only holy book revealed by Allah to mankind through His messengers. It is, however, the only holy book which remained intact from the time of its revelation until the present time. We Muslims believe that the Torah and Gospel had been corrupted, so then Allah revealed the Holy Quraan and he had said that he will guard it from corruptions and he did. However, it isn't our topic.
    But I want to know about Edmund Szekely if you know where he is?
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  18. MrRee

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    My research over 20 years has revealed that Jesus is a fabrication.
    I no longer have any "belief", but I was once a "good christian" like Edmund Szekely. However I know that the kingdom of god is within each and every one of us, and that religions actively conceal this truth.
    What I did was enter into my closet which is in secret, and prayed/meditated/connected with the kingdom that is within, and I asked that the truth which will set me free be shown to me. And it was.
    I don't think it is wise for any person to enter into any formalised religion because I believe the true word is perverted with the interception of men. Rather, I feel that the "Divine" (God/Allah, whatever you like to name it) is a living thing that responds only to individual sincerity, because in the end, it will only ever be you and him/her/it. It's you and your relationship, and that has nothing to do with anyone but you, while other people can only ever get in the way of that relationship, even if they think they're helping, they're not because it's your journey, discovery, & purpose.
    Edmund Szekely started his own commune where he taught his understandings arising from his discoveries, including natural health systems using nutrition. I had a szekely website a while back but I lost it in a crash, but I'll search around for you and see what i come up with, but the new google protocols are unfiriendly for little-used or cashless sites.
    Know the truth and the truth will set you free
     
  19. lovelightlisa

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    church - nay
    jesus - yay

    in what way, what form you want to see him, it doesn't matter
    what matters is that he, in one way or the other, has been part of your life, even if you don't believe. (you wouldn't have that opinion if there was no talk bout him in the first place)
    if he was married, who cares?
    maybe he was an alien, yes, et, there's been stories about that too.
    however fucking ridiculous, it doesn't matter!
     
  20. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Are you commenting on the Catholic priest Edmund's Szekely story? If so, then Antony Flew the British philosophy professor who has been a leading champion of atheism for more than a half-century has changed his mind. He now believes in God. I wrote a thread about him where you can find it here Click. So it isn't problem. If a Muslim will renounce Islam or a believer in God's existence will renounce his belief, does that a proof on their wrong belief before their renouncing? Of course no :)


    You, yourself are one of the proofs of God's existence. Plato argued from design that there must be a designer. When human beings come across footprints on a beach, they immediately conclude that a human being had walked by there some time previously. It would be quite illogical to imagine that the waves from the sea settled in the sand and by chance produced a depressions looking exactly like human footprints. The variety and complexity of the intricate systems which constitute the fabric of both human beings and the world in which they exist indicate that there must have been a Supreme Being who created them. Design indicates a designer. Humans don't instinctively conclude that they were brought into existence without a purpose. Since purposeful action is a natural product of human intelligence, humans conclude that the Supreme Intelligent Being who created them must have done so for a specific purpose. Therefore, human beings need to know the purpose for their existence in order to make sense of this life and to do what is ultimately beneficial for them. Is it possible that your shoes have a purpose for its existence and you the human don't have a purpose? Of course one of the purposes of your shoes is to protect your feet.
    Matter, in atheists' opinion, is mankind is merely a chance product of accidental combinations of its elements. Consequently, to them, the question is Here
    The Big Bang explains how everything came into being?
    100 monkeys with 100 Arabic typewriters given an infinite amount of time, one of them would eventually type out the whole Qur'aan/Bible!! Anything is possible theory.


    Some told that he saw a tree fall in the forest, roll and split into planks. At the same time a rock fell from the side of a mountain nearby, became heated and molten iron poured from it and solidified into small screws. The screws hit the largest plank and joined four smaller bits of wood to it to form a table. What would be your response to such a story?

    A garage full of scraps metal & scraps iron, by chance there was a timed bomb between them, suddenly the timed bomb exploded, a Roserise car has resulted from that explosion. What an explosion it was!!
    Come on!! His existence is clear!

    However, if you want to discuss his existence issue, please click Here that because the topic here about beloved Jesus, and if you don't want to discuss it then, how do you explain the existence of this world how did we existed? If you believe in Darwinism theory then please click here

    And yeah every one is free to believe in whatever he wants.

    Thank you brother, actually life is love, I love Allah and when I love him I love his creatures too, and always remember that love is stronger than weapons or anything else.
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
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