New Australian forum for anybody interested in resisting neo-conservative dominance

http://www.resist.com.au/forum/


there you go. and what better time to discuss australian fascism?

 

i think you might be wasting your time here! most people on this forum are usually howard supporters, mortgaged up to the eyeballs or the kids of the middle class. notions of freedom and free thought are as withered as seed spread onto rock. despite this, i admire your spirit though and checked out the web site for myself.

 

I live in Auztralia and it seems more Facist all the time. Love Peace Acid FREEDOM and REVOLUTION

 

how can there possibly be alot of howard supporters at a forum like this? are they all slaves of the almighty dollar or what?

 

if you seek his monument look around

have a look at the banal fare on offer and look through past threads its illuminating
his beloved supporters are about to realise their folly when the industrial reforms blow in like a storm into all of those wonderful mortgages.

 

its horrible how its happening, btu i would have thought most users here would be a little more left wing

only trouble is that we dont really even have a bloody left wing party. labor is so shit, theyve got no bloody leaders. we need to realise australia is never gonna be a powerful country, we gotta accept that we are a country of industry, of culture, and of values. we are a coutnry with some of the best scientific minds in teh world, but this is changing as we try to turn into america and become an economy based country.

i really wouldnt mind paying more taxes if it meant the country was gonna be more independant and comfortable instead of all this right wing BS thats flying around.

i mean what the fuck is wrong with taxes? you know whats wrong with them? when theyre going to a right wing government...

 

looks like you people would make good members!

StonerBill - yeah, but fuck the leftwing; know what i mean? imo nobody should be on "the left" or "the right"... they should just seek all of the answers from within. and sorry, but fuck school, fuck labels, and fuck culture... they all offer very little but control over the self.

 

but thats not happening soon so before it does id rather have a left wing australia than right. school is not really a bad thing, labels are necessary for human thought process in a world of billions of people.

unless you go live in isolation or in a commune, you gotta understand the system as part of humanity

 

same here, but i'm just saying that there's better things.

school is bad. i mean, the school that we're all forced to go to from the age of 5, for 5 days a week; that school. it doesn't really do anything except indoctrinate us in an atmosphere of fear, and test our memory. you don't really learn anything from it, because all you're doing is repeating answers that have already been made. you're just flexing your left brain, and leaving the right one for dead. whenever you question some professor's belief or whatever, you get told off...

i'm talking about LABELS. for example, hippies, losers, winners, sluts etc.

what system are you talking about?

 

australia serves only two purposes two provide minerals and to provide food. essentially this is why bugger all thought is put into anything else. as for the left wing they are just hoping someones going to vote for them whilst they allow all sorts of silly things get through parliament. i can only await the return of mark latham at least he more or less spoke his mind.

 

id like to see john brogden lead the labor party

school might not be good for all of us, but guess what, there are millions of kids, and -most- of them are gonna fit into the system. in todays world, a system is necessary, simply because the whole world is not just gonna instantly change. you dont have to go to school after year 10. what are you gonna do before then if you didnt go to school? most kids would be bumming aorund doing nothing. you dont have maturity at that age (as in, the collective, not you as an individual) to have jobs with any responsibility. you dont have to do well at school either. yo ucould spend the whole time stoned or pissed or just truent anyway.

as for labels, labeling groups of people is a process of the human brain. labels is not the problem, its what the labels are based on, and the strength by which people are willing to judge people by them. but you cant live in a world without labeling people one way or another. its when people under certain labels are treated with differnet rights when its a problem that must be stopped.

 

i didn't say i was against having a system. i was just saying that i'm against THIS "corrupt" system. kids could get taught by their parents in that time, and/or do a bunch of different things. and it doesn't matter if you're allowed to go by year 10, because by then you would have already been conditioned to a good extent. and i agree that we have to generalise or label, but i also agree that we have to work out labels which WORK!

 

i'm with you. this month we'll see the abolition of habeas corpus and collective bargaining and not so much as a stir from the great mortgaged classes who voted howard into power. too busy watching celebrity anuses on tv no doubt or shopping for new ring tones. that's a shame b/c no-one seems to realise, now that history's not taught anymore, that both things are long and hard fought privileges that define a democratic state and would distinguish it from a fascist state run by slaves.

more power to you and thanks for thinking!

 

parents cant teach their kids caus most parents have to work. while half the stuff i learnt at school was useless, the other half i have used every single day. they have to teach a wide range of things because there are a wide range of people. i think english is BS. but some of my friends love it, and hate maths. whereas i personally value my learning of maths very highly. i dont like history, but some people find its one of the most important and worthwhile subjects in school. so make it optional? well it is optional past a point but before then its not, because those people would never know how much they liked history if they werent forced to do it.

while the current school system is not the best, its better than none

 

james q - thanks man. and good on YOU.

StonerBill - guess those unfortunates will have to learn from the street then. they'll be sure to learn more from there anyway. i guess we'll have to agree to disagree. i honestly don't see any real value in this school system... i think that reading and writing are the only things i learnt from school that are worth knowing...

i think that courses and uni can be great in some cases, but i'm totally against primary school and high school. and i have absolutely nothing against learning. my problem is that most of the stuff we learn in school is "learnt" out of fear. and there's no love in fear. if we are totally limited by what subjects we can and can't learn; and the ways we can and can't learn them; we have our "growing" potential taken away from us. and we have our dorment realisation of our TRUE potential taken away from us also.

 

can i just ask, what year at school ar you in? or what uni courses have you done? and.. well.. what did your parents say to you about school?

i think you gotta think seriously about a world where people didnt have to go to school. how about you look at places where there is no school? primary school and highschool are completely different, practically everything learnt in primary school is developmental knowlege.

i personally as an individual have learnt tonnes more shit outside of school, but i know there are heaps of people who dont. heaps of people also who would know nothing if they werent tought some basics at school.

i mean, whats fearful in school? fearful that you wont suceed? how can you have a system of universally judging people's ability to follow instructions and learn information (basic skills required in MOST of the world's functioning), where people dont have to achieve at a certain level? the only fear in school is that you dont do well. and if you have no incentive to do well, guess what, most people will end up like kids in the slums. streetsmarts keep you alive, they dont put legitimate money in your pocket, healthy food on the table, nor any sense of social integrity.

school never stopped me learning real information. ive spent more time doing my own shit than school. but i cant get into uni in order to learn more stuff unless i do well at school. of course, i could prove to them that im smart enough anyway, but if they judged me individually then theyd have to judge every other person in teh state individually too, which cant be done. thus, they have a system of education, which actually teaches a everybody -something-. even if they dont remember the things later, the act of learning them at all grows a certain level of mental acuity required in certain areas of life.

perhaps you just feared school too much yourself.. and were reluctant to learn anything because of this viewpoint you have.

in fact i cant think of anything in school that some fraction of the people going to school will find useful. can you give some examples?

finally how do you think people can study at uni level without having completed at least primary school? where would they learn analytical skills? being able to write is one thing, being able to structure a response, or interpret data is another

ps. this is a discussion not a flame

 

graduated in 2000. haven't done any UNI courses except for a business course. but i do know a fair lot about uni. i know alot of people that go to uni etc.

i'm not saying that the idea of "school" is wrong, i'm saying that the current system of school is wrong. very wrong actually. and primary school is very different to high school, but it still teaches you how to be a slave.

the people you're talking about are called sheeple i think. these people only "truly learn" against their will.. because their will tells them that all they need to learn about is TRENDS. they will only "learn" after they've woken up to being sheep, or after fascist people coerce them into learning (and/or conforming).

it's all about "standards" and "reality". if you don't buy into THEIR reality, you are looked at as an outcast or a dropout, and are in turn ridaculed. the real fear is underneath; it's underneath the closed-mindedness of the education department; the fascist statements that you won't succeed unless you always follow the law and pass school; the psycological insults from teachers; the ego war of students; the materialism of the lunch hour; the mediocrity of the way most classes are presented; the repetition of impossible standards, the contradictions of the belief that is "there's only one right answer for everything"; the "reality" that the world is NOT infinite; etc, etc.

it depends how you look at the term "street smart". i refer to "the street" as the place where there's the most truth. so when i say street smart, i'm talking about the knowledge you get from being fucked over by government agencies, and being outside of the plastic box of consumerism, materialism and classism etc.

again, i'm not against "schooling", i'm against "indoctrinating".

 

so what is your proposed model lfor education.

 

do i sense attitude? i never said i had one; but employing people that "want" to be teachers would be a good start. lowering school fees; adding variety to the subject lists; getting rid of people such as the principals; allowing more free speech; making less things compulsory; removing governmental control; and increasing teachers' wages would also be a good start. just imo though, hey. i'm just working this out from what i've experienced in schooling, and from my own natural standpoint. you see, i'd like to see "community" for everything!... and no, i was never the "anti-social bully" or what have you in high school.

 

it wasnt attitude, i was just wondering since youre an adult and have such strong views, that you would have considered a feasable alternative.

i mean all those things would be great for some people. this is why id like a more left wing government, so that schools can get more funding, and so that school systems will be more about education and less about keeping their budget working.

how many schools did you go to? public or private?

what subjects would you have liked to have been able to do that werent allowed?

i dont ask rhetoric questions