Are you one of those veggies......?

Discussion in 'Vegetarian' started by themerse, Nov 3, 2005.

  1. themerse

    themerse Member

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    ...that compare slaughterhouses to the Holocaust? If you are don't you think it's time you got a proper perspective?
     
  2. brandonveg

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    i do not make that comparison....but are you one of those people.......who goes into a forum just to cause grief? please dont....much love.....peace.
     
  3. themerse

    themerse Member

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    what.....gives...you....that...idea...?
     
  4. Elle

    Elle Senior Member

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    are you just trying to argue here or what?

    on the grounds that animals are our equals (we are animals, remember that) the comparison is absolutly correct. my perspective will not and does not need to change.
     
  5. surfcali

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    Um, wow. Go tell a Jewish person that.



    mark.
     
  6. Elle

    Elle Senior Member

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    I would have no problem telling a jewish person that. if they get offended oh well. im offended by the meat industry.
     
  7. Fifty9

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    I'm Jewish, and I believe factory farming is an animal holocaust. Just so you know, some of my relatives died in the camps. Obviously I never met them, but I can try to imagine how horrible and evil that situation was. Maybe that's why I can relate to what is happening with the animals right now, and see it as wrong.
     
  8. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    Peta finally apologized for that campaign.
    Since you enjoy trolling and starting fires, perhaps a few days off will give YOU proper perspective and time to read the site rules.
     
  9. Bhaskar

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    Badass moderator lady!
     
  10. alex714

    alex714 To the Left

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    i would never make such a bogus comparison


    its insensitive to say the very least and compeletly trivialises the holocaust.
     
  11. TheRealPamela

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    that's the thing. it DOESN'T trivialize it. it says that wrong is wrong no matter whom we treat that way. Almost no one will deny that the holocause was awful. Most will say that eating animals is okay. That was the whole point Peta wasn't trying to trivialize anyone, but the way people think, it wasn't accepted like intended. It was to raise awareness, not diminish what happened to the Jewish people. I don't agree with the campaign necessarily because I think peta should have known the response, and realized that people have such a problem facing what's on their plates that they would rather turn it around into something it wasn't.
     
  12. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    I will respectfully disagree with brother fifty9 here.
    I too lost family in the shoah. I have elderly cousins and uncles (I forget the full lineage- I was adopted out) with tatoos on their wrists.
    I feel that the holocaust on your plate campaign was another grabbber MEANT to anger.
    and THAT is the basis of the problem. If PETA, or G-d forbid any other veggie group, operates as if the feelings of people do not matter how can we begin to cross the species bridge? if we cannot care about one another and the planet how can we convince people that the large scale meat consumption is at some moral level (which will differ for different people and situations: I'd not suggest to the Massai that they should starve) wrong or at least a worst case scenario?
    I say we cannot.
    with that campaign and the glatt kosher slaughterhouse (Pottsville) film so close together it looked like anti-semitism. Perhaps it was. I hope it was astronomical ignorabce as Newkirk's apology letter insinuated.
    but I am glad that the Pottsville houses are under closer scrutiny by the rabbis as a result.
    Kosher should be the kindest method of doing death. Kosher is all about making the procurement of meat difficult so that less will be consumed.
    My shul is one that cares about glatt. I'm the only vegetarian.
    I am often in the uncomfortable situation of explaining that PETA is no more every veggie than the Jews for Jesus are every Jew.
    It seems such campaings should have made the carnivores uncomfortable. Not the veggies.
    A resounding failure of a campaign, from a measured results/ changed behaviour PR standpoint.
     
  13. TheRealPamela

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    This is not to be disrespectful to you or your post or your beliefs, but isn't Kosher slaughter cutting the animals throat w/o stunning or anesthetics? I am honestly asking, not being sarcstic. Pretty barbaric. (Not saying slaughterhouses today are not. They are awful. I just do not see how certain things make it ok to take a life w/o needing to. And having your throat slit is not a kind way to die.
     
  14. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    speed: fastest method if done right.
    is there a good way to die in a slaughterhouse?
     
  15. TheRealPamela

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    Absolutely no good way to die, hence why we're veg.
     
  16. Bhaskar

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    Pamela, I disagree. For one who dies willingly, at peace with the world, without sorrow or regret, dies in a most beautiful way.
     
  17. Hikaru Zero

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    Unfortunately, I doubt slaughterhouse-bound animals are at peace with such a world. =\
     
  18. Bhaskar

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    never said they were.
     
  19. TheRealPamela

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    For clarification:
    I meant in a slaughterhouse, Bhaskar, for animals. There is no good way to die when you are being murdered for someone's plate.
     
  20. Hikaru Zero

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    Never thought you said they were. ;)
     

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