sending jobs overseas

Discussion in 'America Attacks!' started by celeste, Nov 7, 2005.

  1. celeste

    celeste Member

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    Let's send Bush's job overseas!
     
  2. hippychickmommy

    hippychickmommy Sugar and Spice

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    If only it were that easy.
     
  3. guy

    guy Senior Member

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    the western powers have been farming off jobs overseas for quite sometime in pursuit of the almighty dollar. your average joe in these countries never woke up.
     
  4. Duck

    Duck quack. Lifetime Supporter

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    why are people just noticing this?
    it's been happening for a LOOOOONNNNGGGGG time
     
  5. matthew

    matthew Almost sexy

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    Have you ever thought we had it good.. now other countries are having it good.
    Heaven forbid any other place in the world should grow there economy and raise there people out of poverty..
     
  6. jonny2mad

    jonny2mad Senior Member

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    I dont think the idea is for people in other countrys to have it good , the idea seems to be to pay them the least we can, have no unions and very low health and safety rules .

    but on the bright side look into the subject of oil depletion and peak oil, its likely that globalization will reverse and we need to produce more of our stuff locally .
     
  7. matthew

    matthew Almost sexy

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    China [for e.g] has created its own jobs and sends jobs our way.. It is one of th fastest growing economies in the world [as i am sure you may know]..
    Two different things i suppose, us shipping jobs out and them creating jobs themselves.

    I am sure smaller less regulated 'sweat shops' have bad practices and all the things you highlight.. we have the same sort of issues in the western world.. as is the case that China has as many unions and well regulated well paid jobs... and above standard safety rules

    [size=+2]China's unions take on the challenge of change

    http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve04/1198china.html

    [/size] Trade Unions in China Play Important Role: Official
    A Chinese trade union official says China has established over 1.6 million trade unions at the grass-roots level as of the end of June 2002.

    He says that the trade unions have played an important role in promoting democratic management inside many businesses and help safeguard the legitimate rights and interests of employees.

    He points out the trade unions have also helped in improving the country's social security system and promoting re-employment.

    The official says trade unions helped nearly three million laid-off workers find new jobs in the past five years and have launched training courses to help improve job skills for over three million laid-off workers.


    http://www.china.org.cn/english/BAT/95132.htm


    and thats just Unions..


    I think people need to re-evaluate a few things that go on in other countries..
     
  8. Lodui

    Lodui One Man Orgy

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    At a controlled pace, outsourcing is the best thing that can happen to countries like China, India, and Thailand.

    It provides them with opputunities to break out of rigid social models like Indias chaste system, and earn much more then farmers ever could. People who complain about the wages don't realize that the money is worth more there, and that while working in a factory can raise you above the poverty line, farming never could.
     
  9. Lodui

    Lodui One Man Orgy

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    We have more proven oil reserves now then we did in the 80's. And by 2012 every car sold in the US will be E85 capable.
    http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/analysis_publications/oil_market_basics/Supply_text.htm


    Hybrids will also all be E85 capable, which will drasticlly reduce our need for oil for transportation, and our energy needs can be meet through nuclear power.

    Not to mention we can make oil from about anything for almost the same cost as we can pull it from the ground. we Haven't invested in the infrastructure yet because oil is still plentiful, but if oil reserves did become depleted, we would invest more in bio fuels.

    http://www.discover.com/issues/jul-04/features/anything-into-oil/

    And don't even get me started on shale.

    Peak oil is ludicrous, it implies that we'll never be able to expand our energy infrastructure in any form.

    The world will become globalized, and we'll all be better off. Particularly our friends in SE Asia.
     
  10. jonny2mad

    jonny2mad Senior Member

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    half my family is chinese and I have no faith in chinese trades unions under the system that is running china .

    if you look at the subject of peak oil and look how these estimates of reserves are come up with maybe you would have a lot less faith in them .

    also you have to take into account the growth in demand and the problems that would be caused changing 600,000000 petrol engines .

    also you need to consider whether its possible for the world to continue doing things like transporting the average item of food 1500 miles to every supermarket .

    in the summer months in the uk most of our apples are flown in from new zealand thats about 7-8000 miles away is this possible to sustain even for the people in the uk let alone world wide .

    the whole system is built on foundations of sand .

    with oil you have something where nature as put in the energy over millions of years and we just come along and use it we are not going to find a energy source to take its place .

    if coal was a better fuel we wouldnt have used oil, nuclear power isnt going to work,hydrogen is a mirage
     
  11. Lodui

    Lodui One Man Orgy

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    Nuclear power is extremely efficient, and theres thousands of years of Uranium energy. Although it does come largely from unstable reasons giving it the same problems as oil.

    PEM cells work, their just not as efficient as gas.

    Nor do they need to be for right now, we probably won't switch to a hydrogen economy for 100 years, and by then they will be extremly efficient. Electrolysing water for H2 will also be much more commercially viable.

    If it weren't profitable to ship apples to england, there'd be no apples, but apples are still pretty cheap. the system works becauseof it's volume for a desired resource. it's pretty basic economics.

    Eventually we might even reach the point where we mine the moon for HE3. The moons really far away, but it will probably beworth it considering how efficient fusion is..

    Of course, once fusion is accesible *by 2015* we can just mine the seas for tritium, and theres about 600,000,000 years worth of fuel there. so mining for fuel for the planet would be pretty pointless, but it'd make the moon a great fueling station.

    Peak oil is something of a wish for people who have a false nostalgia about the past.

    If you don't like globalization, your internet use isn't making that clear. The internet is a milestone of a globalized market for information.

    Well...information and porn. :D
     

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