This is the Freedom we bring to Iraq

Discussion in 'America Attacks!' started by PLyTheMan, Nov 7, 2005.

  1. PLyTheMan

    PLyTheMan Senior Member

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    Anyone with the stomach should watch this.

    We invaded Iraq to hunt out WMDs and chemical weapons. In turn, we use weapons of mass destruction on the people we're claiming to liberate and save.

    Stream the video from here:
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10907.htm

    Download from here:
    http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/video/fallujah_ING.wmv

    I dont want anyone to come on here and start running their mouth about how this war is justified or how the video is bullshit until you watch it yourself. Start to Finish. Watch it and see the result of our great leader.

    This isn't some bullshit flash or some Alex Jones video about the Illuminatie and NeoCons. This is video from the war. Images that the american media has failed to show its public.
     
  2. cotter builds

    cotter builds Member

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    the soldiers themselves stated 10 year olds picked up firearms......once they pose a threat they will be shot.....are you fucking retarded? how bout i point a gun at you and you not be offended and not have the desire to shoot back. dont blame our soldiers....blame the iraqi insurgents for using cheap tacticts.....theyll appear like refugees then at the checkpoints open fire and blow up thier cars killing dozens of US troops...quit blaming our own people its not thier fault civilians are getting killed. its the faults of iraqi factions. our troops are trying to do thier best from not being killed using the means they have to sustain thier own lives. so until you yourself are willing to join the military and try to change things shut the fuck up you moron. i have good friends over there risking thier lives for politicians they dont agree with, but theyre doing thier job. more than what what your doing......which is broadcasting what they themselves are ashamed of doing to try to right the wrong doers. the american media hasnt failed to show this, they just dont blame our hard working troops. because its not the soldiers fault. you make me sick you jack ass......i hope you end up in a shit hole like iraq or somolia and get shot at by angry civilian lookin miliatants. when youre fighting an army which isnt uniformed the only enemy is the one with a gun. when people keep picking up guns or hangin around folks with the guns, they will be shot. they shouldve done something before we got there to persuade thier peers from being fucking morons......so shut the fuck up.....and quit putting this shit up....it hurts our troops more than what theyre doing to themselves. they like shooting civilians as much as we like them doing such things. instead of whining bout it on the internet posting links to videos, you should get people to write to thier senators......they listen believe it or not. how do you think vietnam came to an end? not by little pissants demoralizing our troops thats for damn sure...........you make me sick
     
  3. PLyTheMan

    PLyTheMan Senior Member

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    Okay, this is going to be tricky for me to reply to your points, seeings they're lost in the one massive blob of a paragraph, but let me see what I can do here.

    I understand that there are kids running around with guns. That goes to show how dangerous Iraq is, what a threat they pose. They are so resentful and angry at our occupation and slaughter and tourture that even their children will risk their lives to try and force us out.

    No, I'm not fucking retarded.

    Point a gun at me, shoot me, go ahead. I dont believe in violence. I'll die knowing I didn't hurt others.

    Again, the Iraqis are a poor, now even more disorganized nation. What else CAN they do to drive us out than use guerilla tactics. Might I remind that guerilla ambushes are exactly what won the United States its freedom from Britain's rule in the Revolution. But its okay for us to jump out of trees behind the formations of british troops, because we're a 'Nation Under God' right? Honestly, would you do any different if one of the Russia suddenly decided to invade the US? If you had soviet tanks rolling through your neighbor hood and the only army to fight them was you and your family, would you pick up a weapon and hit them when and however you can, or would you just wait to be incinerated like your cousin two towns over?

    You think I want American troops to die? You think I have some vengeful hate against our own army? I no more want Americans to die then I want Iraqis to die. But there was no draft (yet) and all our troops over there are there because they volunteered. I realize that a large number of them despise Bush and what he's making them do, regardless, they still do it. I'm sorry that you have friends over there that might not come back, but it might be better that you take your anger out on the one who sent them there, not the one who wants them to come home tomorrow.

    I never said that every american fighting is going around raping and maiming women and children. To those that do their job as best as they can I hope they can come home soon and not be too scared by what they were forced to do and see. There are still a number of troops that enjoy being in the middle of it all. That wont hesitate to liquify civilian's skin from the saftey of the air. And dont tell me that there are no soldiers commiting war crimes, because SOMEONE has to be pushing the button to launch these weapons of mass destruction. They are responsible for their actions, be it following orders or not.

    Quit putting this up? Stop whining? You talk about it like I'm complaining about a cole soar. Just suck it up and stop complaining. This is important. This barbaric conflict could set the stage for a never ending war. Even the White house declared that this war could go on forever. So say we keep things up at this pace, since I have yet to see any real signs of slowing down. The longer we do this, the long Iraqis (and eventually Iranians, Syrians, etc) look at the pictures of their dead brothers and sisters on the front page of the paper every day, it will only breed more anger and more violence. We could honestly be fighting this war for years upon years, because as long as we stay in the middle east, more and more generations will be born and will hate us and will raise weapons against us. And of course we will respond with more bombings and killings. Violence will only beget more violence.

    I'm sorry that I make you sick, but looking at pictures of people's skin melted off their bones who died in their house when they were attacked by a chemical that causes burning no water can put out shot at them from above their heads or half a mile away, that makes me sick. Watching coffins draped in the american flag flown home packed in a cargo plane makes me sick. Seeing George W Bush makes me sick. Watching men gunned down from gun ships in the middle of the night through night vision makes me sick.

    During Vietnam, families would see the horrific scenes of what we were doing in the jungle there, and what was being done to us. They saw children running from burning vilages, the bits of napalm burning them. Thats why we pulled out of Vietnam. Thats why none of Bush's media will ever show you whats in that video. Thats why I posted it.
     
  4. spooner

    spooner is done.

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    What are your friends names?

    I want to be able to laugh when I read the murderers names on an Iraq casualty list.
     
  5. MagicMedicine

    MagicMedicine Sailor Scent

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    Spooner, grow the fuck up. It's one thing to question the war, but that was in complete bad taste. I'm not superstitious, but karmas gonna kick you in the ass.
     
  6. makno

    makno Senior Member

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    hope they kill every single amerikan soldia boy !
     
  7. makno

    makno Senior Member

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    but youll have to take your thumb out yer ass ....i know you must hate that
     
  8. *Ewan*

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    I dont hold it against a lot of the soldiers, a lot of them are just working class americans who joined up to escape form pvoerty. It's always the protaleterarian that fights the beugoirse war.

    On the otherhand i'll support the troops when they shoot their officers!
     
  9. makno

    makno Senior Member

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    well soldier boys ....its lookin a lot safer and better company in leveworth .....JUST SAY NO .....
     
  10. Higherthanhell

    Higherthanhell Banned

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    Hmmm..Faluja, isn't that Zarchary's place to chop old mens heads off? I say nuke the fukers
     
  11. freesmile

    freesmile Banned

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    it is not our fault that civilians are getting killed, did you actually watch the film, the US forces aim at civilian, and jsut cover up for the media and public, they use napalm and lired about its usage, stop defending the people who are destroying a nation for selfish reasons.

    I do not blame the soldiers I blame the government for the dispicable war but I also think soldiers should have better morals than to just attack civilians because they are just there.

    People with guns should be shot, no only if they pose a threat, I believe people in the US leagally have guns, and as Iraq doesn't have rule of law thanks to certain people then they do carry guns for safety not always to shoots Americans.

    Yeah he makes you sick, for trying to give insight to the illegal war and what goes on that isn't always heard about, how can people conmplain if they do not know what is really going on?
     
  12. PLyTheMan

    PLyTheMan Senior Member

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    Most of you completely missed the point of me posting this.

    Insulting the troops and saying you want to laugh at their deaths is so immature and completely besides the point of why I wanted people to watch that video.

    I want those soldiers that commit these crimes against humanity to be held accountable, but you shouldn't wish death on anyone. Thats just as bad as wishing death on the civilians killed in this waste of life. As Gilligan said, its so easy for you to run your mouth from a keyboard behind miles of cable.

    As for posting this on the internet, I do and will continue to raise these subjects online because a lot of people will see them and, I hope, learn something from it. The internet is a great tool because it will show you things that TV and the Newspapers never will, such as the reality of Fallujah seen in that video. I frankly dont even care at this point who is right and who is wrong. I dont care what flag you fight under. I dont care if America is right, if Iraq is right, if the UN is right, it doesn't matter, because the one thing I know is that war is not right. Espeacially this war.

    Everything about this war is wrong, and those responsible should be held accountable, and unlike the officers that got blamed for the torture earlier, blame must go from the private in the field to the commander in chief sitting safe surrounded by his secret service, his supporters, and his lies.
     
  13. PLyTheMan

    PLyTheMan Senior Member

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    And the threats and violence continues...
     
  14. freesmile

    freesmile Banned

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    the world will only improve and move forward if individuals realise that violence is not the wat forward, cruelty is the worst thing a human being can do, from a threat and anger between individuals to out and out warfare, unless people realise there will be consequences for acting in such as way or we gain moral responisibilities the world be self destruct because of our species
     
  15. freesmile

    freesmile Banned

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    sometimes some good comes from evil, and that is what I believe the Iraq war aws, it was totally evil, illegal and will have total backlash around the world. If you just accept war as part of human nature then we lose, and we might as well give up, we have to aim for peace, no matter how unrealistic, with no common aim what will happen, we just accept cruelty.
     
  16. freesmile

    freesmile Banned

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    it takes a hell of a lot more than 1 person to make a war, it takes many people, and especially in democracies the public must be tricked to agree with the war, as with the Iraq war
     
  17. freesmile

    freesmile Banned

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    but the reason for the war was not about Saddam, it was about contracts and profits.
    The alternative I see is how about the United States to follow International Law, join the ICC, think of their state as equal to others, not in charge
     
  18. da420

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    alot of ins alot of outs alot of strands on old duders head
     
  19. freesmile

    freesmile Banned

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    well if the US thinks it is above the world courts and the United Nations then what documents do you want to see, the fact that the war was illegal, and major corportations benefir from the war
     
  20. PLyTheMan

    PLyTheMan Senior Member

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    I completely believe that there are a lot of americans over there who hate what they have to do, and I also believe that our brothers and sisters are helping to build schools and shops and streets and trying to bring something positive to the area.But here's the thing, what the videos depict of mass destruction and what the videos depict of building and doing good are both happening at the same time, like two sides of the same coin. I realize that neither of these sides are being shown much in America (and if neither the good or the bad is being show, what are we being shown? And why aren't we seeing the truth?! but thats for another topic). Why I show the bad, though, is because if you only saw the good, you may think that we are doing a great thing in Iraq, and not seeing the horrible reality of war which is the bad. If you see the horrible realities though, you will be offended at what is being done under the colors of your flag and you will want the war to end. We can always build houses and schools in peacetime, you know. If we went into Iraq with tools to build rather than tools to destroy, I bet the Iraqis would welcome us with open arms.

    What I'm trying to say is that publicising the gory pictures will make people say "War is horrible, no one should be forced to live and die through these things" and then if we build enough support against the war, maybe we can leave the country and stop the killings. We can alwasy return on terms of peace to rebuild the houses and schools, but we cannot return on terms of peace and bring the dead back to life.

    I understand that civilian casulaties are bound to happen in war, and I can understand soldiers on the ground inflicting civilian injuries out of fear of their own safety, as you said, car bombs and the like are a scary reality. Though I do not like it, that is not where most of my objections are. My problem is with us reigning firebombs down on a city full of people. This isn't some isolated case of one carful of of guys being mowed down, this is us using our technology and advanced weapons just destroy countless lives.

    And thanks, the Grill Cheese is probably the best sig I've made in photoshop =D
     
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