Celtic mythology & origin

Anyone care to have discussion? I am always looking for people
to talk about things of interest to me.

So someone start with something, a point, or question
or anything. If nothing, then I will start a discussion.

Come on, lets talk.

 

Know much about the Mabinogion Heron?
I've tried reading Everyman's version but it bores me to tears, although I do know many of the stories. My favourite one is of Lleu Llaw Gyffes and Blodeuedd.

Also, what's your take on the Arthurian legends? Do you think they originate from Wales, England or as some think, Ireland?

Hope that's given you enough to go on

 

I've read parts of the Mabignion, and i put it down, lost interest maybe? not sure, but i got busy. Will pick it up again one day.

I dont know a whole lot of the Cymraeg legends, i am more in to Gaulish and Goidelic ones personally. Though i was learing Welsh grammer to read the Mabignion.

As to Arthur, I say Brythonic. Definatly not Irish, or English. Of the pick i would
say Welsh, seeing that they are the British. The saxons werent attacking
Ireland, and the Romans were never there, so the historical Arthur is
automatically in Britain. He could have been from the lowland Scotland
area too, but that would still make him of Briton blood.

I was reading (before finding another book that took my thoughts)
a book on Arthur and true history. Disproving myth and forming
academic and liquistic theory as to the truth.

Only a couple chapters in, i will finish it one day.

 

Stone Henge has always been of great interest to me. do you know any ideas of who built it? and how old it is?

 

A strong contender for the Arthurian legend is Colchester. Prior to the conquest of Albion (Britain), Colchester was known as Camulodunum, named for Camulos, the Celtic God of War. At that time it was the domain of the Trinovantes, a fierce tribe of Celtic horse warriors. Rome occupied Colchester from 43-410AD. The Saxons later occupied the city until the late 11th century when William the Conqueror (then the Duke of Normandy) defeated King Harold at the battle of Hastings. That cemented Norman rule under William the Conqueror and the rest is history.

It was during that period of the Dark Ages between the early 4th Century and the late 11th Century that it is suspected that Camulodunum was known as Camelot. But since there is little known history it's still all speculation.

Anyone want to discuss William Wallace as the basis for the Robin Hood legend?

 

Stonehenge was built by the indeginous people, such as the Tuatha de Dannan in Ireland. They were the stone people when the Gauls came
over to britain, and the Milesians came to Ireland. It was used by
the Celts, but predated them by millenia.

As to Wallace and Robin Hood, no way. Robin Hood is based in
British paganism. It can be argued as to what diety Robin Hood
was based on, and even branches into the Germanic mythos.

From Green Man to Herne, its hard to say exactly what the
basis is, but it is believe to have been a cover up legend
to protect its pagan roots into the Christian Era.

 

I would agree but for one thing: William Wallace was betrayed at Falkirk in 1298 but not captured until 1305. Other than staying three steps ahead of King Edward's men, where was he all that time? Check this out:

http://www.highlanderweb.co.uk/wallace/

There's a lot of speculation and parallel in there but he makes an interesting case...

 

William Wallace, isnt that Braveheart?

Thanks for the info on stone hedge, and check your pms heron.

 

Yes, the movie Braveheart was loosely (stress loosely) based on the life of William Wallace of Elerslie. They got so many things wrong and combined a lot of people who were involved in Scotland's fight for independence in the 13-14th century. Click the link in my previous post, there you shall find the truth.

 

I did a 4 page report called The Historical Inaccuracies of Braveheart, for a film class once. Got an A =)

Anyone care to discuss Indo-European migration along the Danube and
the emergence of Gaulish and Germanic culture through mythology?

 

That started about 4000 years before my interest in history, but I'm sure you'll find some takers out there. =)

 

When is your start of interest?

 

First Century BC, give or take.

 

When has the English not been villians? lol
Besides it wasnt the English themselves that
have been villians, but certain members of
the crown. It was Longshanks who was villianous.
Besides, the Scots were just as treacherous.

The only time "English" people were personally
responsible for giving the Celtic ones a hard time
was when the Angles and Saxons were attacking,
and that was all in fair war.

It was the Scots that the Angles were invited to
fight, on behalf of the British, but instead sided
with the Scots and took over the Brits land.

Fucked up huh.

Anyway, English people = cool
English crown thoughout history = not cool

Besides, are you English as in of the
Germanic settlers of the Isles, or
English in that you live in England?

 

Excellent

Thanks for the insight.

My family are British far back as I can tell. My fathers side is Scottish (from centuries back), and my mother's paternal side are Welsh. Can tell that from our surnames and some ancedotes. Been meaning to do some geneology to be able to find out for sure.

Do indeed live in England, have all my exsistence (for this life at least). So in that sense am truly English. It's not a bad lot.

 

Im Scots Welsh too. cool, my dads family is Welsh my mothers are
from Isle of Skye in the Hebrides.

We share lineage, cool huh?

My surname is actually a town in England though, Pickering, but
its only a place, not an ethnic decent ya know? but definatly
Brythonic by decent.

 

I heard my sur name was very common in England. I dont want to mention it on here tho... sorry.

I know my ancestors with this surname came straight from England in the late 1700s and settled in this area.

 

Recently in Literature we read the story of Beowulf. My teacher said that the christian aspects of the story was probably added by the monks who wrote it down.

Anyone know anything about the original story? Wasnt it Pagan?

 

Sorry, no saxonic myth on here.

LOL joking.

Yes it was written in pagan times, and
like most myths, the monks had their
way with it.

Not really into Beowulf, I was bored to
tears by it, well, maybe it was christian lol.

But like the linking of Grendel to Cain,
so it is the same with the Irish Milesian
invasion, was later written down by
monks, but linked the Milesians to
Semitic origin, and even had the Mother
of the Milesians as an egyptian woman
named Scotia. They used that to
justify why the Milesians were later
called the Scoti (Scots). Scoti was
the latin word for invader/raider,
like pirate or viking, and was used
to describe the people from the little
island that gave them so much shit.