I dont get what the islam religion has to do with all these middle easterns calling us "white peices of shit" because we have another religion, what does it matter. Have you ever thought about what if they are all Bull, I mean, SOMEBODY did write these in a book, and ANYBODY could claim to be the son or profit of god. And I dont see why a got would want you to sacrifice yourself or non believers......it just doesnt make sense. Too many religons, none of them seem to prove thier existence in any way besides some storys somebody wrote in a book thousands of years ago thinking "hahahah some idiot will believe this shit and I will be laughing from my grave". Although some things I have read about have actually stuck out for me. Im not saying this religion is wrong or anything. I dont think any of them are. But whats with all the women having to be covered...thats a little disrespectful and sexist wouldnt you think?
"White trash" You are aware of the fact that there are millions of white muslims aswell? Less than 20% of the muslim population come from arab countries. The modest dress of the muslim woman show respect towards women, not making them into sex toys who show their body to every excited male. Freedome and liberty means being free from ones passions not being indirectly told that you have to dress off in order to be accepted(how many young girls are not right now starving themselves in order to look like you should look?) , think about that; dont ask why they put on clothes but ask why the western women unclothe themselves? Could it be that you just want to enjoy watching women and hide this by telling them it degrades them if they wouldnt resist in wearing tight pants and shirts?
No offence but, what about those who dress normal, without having everything hang out?- Yet still don't overdress... OK, I admit it, I have my arms and lower legs hang out... ...better not get anyone too excited... lol, sorry about that but I couldn't resist! But just so that you know, I don't like the low-cut and short-skirt dress code either. Ew...I mean, first of all, it *may* attract lust ( Most guys I know of don't care about or are repelled by it, that's why I put 'may'.) and seconed...Isn't it kinda cold? But when we're just on that page, how 'bout it being nice if guys keep their shirts on too...( many girls drool all over that as you know. More than guys drooling over a girl's belly-button/cleavage. I'm usually repelled by that though, I think it's disgusting. But all to their own..) or is it only important that women don't make MEN lust? OK, I'll shut up now, I don't like these topics...^^; And Mr.Weed...chill man...O.O I actually know of no mid-eastern Muslims so far...maybe I will some day. And I didn't know they label us "White pieces of poo-poo", where'd you here that from?
RE: The modest dress of the muslim woman show respect towards women, not making them into sex toys who show their body to every excited male Maybe Americans have more self-control than these folks. I certainly don't sit there looking at all women like a ravenous wolf looks at a slab of meat.
Sorry mate, but if yer gonna toss out what amounts to "we men can't help ourselves! You must dress in something that only shows your eyes!" that does invite comment. I don't like Britney Spears' look either but I'm not calling for removing someone's fingernails with pliers for wearing nail polish. Remove the racism from Weed's post and the fundamental question is what's it to you?
What about them? Well according to Paul, they are sinning. You are underestimating the adept looking capabilities for a man to get excited, for many it may be as little as a leg. OK, I admit it, I have my arms and lower legs hang out...http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif ...better not get anyone too excited... lol, sorry about that but I couldn't resist! But just so that you know, I don't like the low-cut and short-skirt dress code either. Ew...I mean, first of all, it *may* attract lust ( Most guys I know of don't care about or are repelled by it, that's why I put 'may'.) and seconed...Isn't it kinda cold? http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif I agree, thus the man is forbidden(in Islam) to show anything from the navel to the knee. Good question. Did you perhaps know that the Quran acually starts with admonishing the man and then gives the following verse about womens dresscode? "Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do." It's perfectly logical why women are the ones that need to cover, [most] mens lust are like that of animals, and there is no need to get this cultivated by seeing such visions. IronGoth: Removing nails for nailpolish, where in islamic law does that apply? Im glad that you can control your self btw, thats a praisworthy statement but Islam came to protect the society as a whole. You cant cross the speed limit while driving without breaking a traffic rule, no matter if you can control the situation or not! These rules apply to all, even though you can control your lusts some people can't. "Maybe Americans have more self-control than these folks. I certainly don't sit there looking at all women like a ravenous wolf looks at a slab of meat." irongoth, the americans are among the leaders in terms of rapes and sexual abuse, you know that dont you? In the U.S., 1.3 women are raped every minute!!!!!!!. That's 78 rapes per hour. · 1 out of every 3 American women will be assaulted in her lifetime. · 1 in 4 college women have either been raped or suffered attempted rape. That is not the kind of life we would want our beloved daughters and sisters to face, your making them into sex symbols instead of respecting their intellekt, is that correct? Dont ask me why women dress because thats a natural component inside the human body to feel shyness infront of strangers but ask the question why women need to undress.
First off, I'm glad you're taking this in the spirit in which it's offered - dialog, not condemnation. RE: IronGoth: Removing nails for nailpolish, where in islamic law does that apply? Ask your Taleban and Saudi religious enforcers that question. RE: These rules apply to all, even though you can control your lusts some people can't. Well, the same people would be lustful no matter what. RE: irongoth, the americans are among the leaders in terms of rapes and sexual abuse, you know that dont you? It's hard to say that with authority. Rape in some countries is considered acceptable, and therefore not counted as a crime. Does the law allow Saudi Arabian women to charge their husbands with rape if they try to force the issue? In the US you have false accusations to win more money in divorce courts, gain custody of children or simple spite. It's not easy to draw comparisons between the two. RE: In the U.S., 1.3 women are raped every minute!!!!!!!. That's 78 rapes per hour. In South Africa, it's one every twenty seconds. That makes the US about half as bad as other places. Not trivialising it, at all. And btw it's sexual assault, not rape. This can be defined many ways. RE: 1 out of every 3 American women will be assaulted in her lifetime. · 1 in 4 college women have either been raped or suffered attempted rape. Forgive me for correcting you, but it's one out of three WORLDWIDE, as well as in the USA. That makes the US on par. Keep in mind that the US has VERY VERY liberal definitions of sexual assault, as well as financial incentives to make false accusations. 89% of these people have been raped by someone they know - a family member or friend. The "he saw her, was overcome with lust and attacked her" rape is just over 10% of cases. As a woman you are far more likely to be attacked by someone you have every reason to trust. Rape is about power, not lust. RE: That is not the kind of life we would want our beloved daughters and sisters to face, your making them into sex symbols instead of respecting their intellekt, is that correct? No, it isn't. And I agree with you about that. I think some of the more modern ideas about marketing thong underwear to three year old girls etc. are vile. Completely vile. And as for Texans and other folk who parade their six year old girls around like WHORES (look up "pageant" and "Jon Benet Ramsay" on the Internet) are in serious need of having their heads examined. But that doesn't mean you go the other route, and force them to wear bedsheets with a slit to look out of, and beat them if they wanna go somewhere without three male relatives and a shotgun toting chaperone in tow. It's funny - I recently spoke to a French colleague who expressed concerns about walking the streets of Avignon. They say there, (whether they're right or wrong I won't comment) that the Arabs and Muslims are full-on sexual predators who see no wrong in raping a non-Muslim and therefore they do not go out at night and lock their doors. I hope you don't take my remarks as being similar to theirs.
Where does Paul say that? OK, the thing with the legs I see this way: It happens in places like Pakistan, Iraq, and all the other Muslim countries. Not because of their Biological make up, but because they're used to seeing women completely covered. So if they see the leg, they automaticly see it as a 'turn on' because that's showing to much to them. Now, if it's a place like Mallorca, where the women walk around on the beach without tops , and the men are used to that, seeing a girl in shorts doesn't turn them on, since they've built a 'tolerance' towards it. Since they're used to seeing worse. Now in America, where it's an inbetween thing, and so many women walk around with tops on, but wear things like me, shorts and t-shirts and jeans, they just think you're 'there' like a 'random person'. Seriously, I've went to a few countries, and it's a society thing, what one's soul is used to. And the soul has authority over the flesh. So the way one looks at the world varies from culture to culture...since the soul has different restraints. Personally, I think one would be more aroused if the girl's got EVERYTHING covered, "oooh....what's under there?" you know? But that's just my oppinion, I'm not trying to offend you. So ignore any of this if it does... What I mean is more like the chest. Type in 'hot shirtless guys' and see how many results you'll get. And guess why... ( Before I was christian I was into that kinda crap too...) No I didn't. look! I learned something new! ^^ It's not just men. Without G-d everybody thinks they're animals... Women lust heaps too, but the media doesn't care about that, they ignore it because they're women. And the stereotype's on men. Here's a great example of the stereotypes: http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/5235856/detail.html Now let's switch it around: if it was a man doing that, the charges would be much higher, why can women get away with this much more easilly? Well...because she's a women, "haha you show those men whose boss. ". Sick, isn't it? I hate stereotypes...also, remember Lynndie England? America's a very big country too. Much bigger than Pakistan....so there are more people, no wonder that things like that happen more often, If you'd try to fit Sweden and all it's people into America, how many times would it go? (without the percentage of assaults decreased). And yeah, other than that I agree with irongrowth too..he's got statistics. and it IS more of a power thing...he's right, now that he mentions it... BTW: Sorry that this reply took up about a half a page...don't read it unless you're really bored, cabd! ^_^;
