My Issue: The Supernatural

Run around in your house and take digital pictures at night ( with flash )

and I've told you of stuff. You stubbornly refused it ( it didn't seem like you were conscidering it), but you always come with the commant:
" So, just because our science doesn't know how it happened, - God did it!"

I told you of someone's testimony where in no way the lady could have been healed by something physical ( I know of healings of aids and limbs growing back as well ).

*sigh*
sorry, but I'm in a bad mood today...

 

You are welcome to interpret events in any way you like, this isn't the pseudo-science of the occultists. What does your interpretation give you? Have you learned anything by it? What kind of world do you want to live in? Do you want to go on believing that some "outside" "force" is controlling things? Some unknown something? If it isn't "physical", what is it? Where is it? Does it inhere in something? If it does, then it must be somewhere. Can you locate it anywhere?

 

Belief in the supernatural probably represents a persons' wish to be immortal. If things can be interpreted in their way then anything is possible. Whatever turns you on I guess. If its' hanging out in the middle of night talking to dead people, then by all means...go for it. I happen to like the world as it is.

 

Drop some acid, and just THINK about love. And God, and how magical reality is. And wonder what is real, and what justifies suffering. Many people on DMT talk to elves all the time, and an alien encounter on a mushroom trip is not a rare occurence either, Mr. Leary-head.

You know, shroom spores are the only thing that can survive extended space travel and grow when conditions permit. More interesting info: shroom clusters in the wild, seem seperate. Not true, underneath, they are connected with more connections than are in the human brain. They know us and reality better than we do. And the best part, it's all really one mushroom connected underground, much like the underlying reality, of reality. Were all one. How bout that?

 

"There is no 'super-nature' only nature "

We don't know that,and we could never prove it,if we could then the supernatural would be natural.
Supernatural abides by no logic,no law,it could exist,beyond our universe of logic,and out of its complete random illogical wierdness effect us from that "realm" and theres nothing to prove it and nothing to completely erase its probability.

1+2=3
its apparently a logically stable equation,we can understand its operations and apply its uses,but what is "1"?
you could take 1 and divide it infinitely,its composed of a magic strange goop of decimal places stretching into forever,its blurry and undefined,yet still can be part of a sound structure.
to me this is like the universe,theres an infinity of strange nether-world garbage "floating" "around" but there still can be a solid working logical structure in coexistance.

 

Because some mushrooms are connected everything is connected? I don't get that logic. (I also don't think a fungus is more knowledgeable about reality than a human.)

BTW, I am no stranger to a few hits of acid. But I do know that my experiences on the drug are because of the drug, not some outside supernatural force.

 

I do not believe in the infinite divisibility of space. Space is finite and therefore has finite divisibility.

 

This has to be the most ridiculous thing I've yet read on these forums.
Nobody who has lost a limb has regrown one.

 

The actual mushrooms are only the reproductive part of the fungus. The thing itself is called a mycelium, a complex system of fine root fibres under the ground. To assume some magical or mystical 'connection' between mushrooms is simply a lack of understanding of what they are.

It's interesting that some think mushrooms are sentient - I wonder if they believe the same about a tab of acid? Because the effects are very similar.

 

I had a thought, that perhaps the reason no one can fully explain the concept of God, is a result of human imagination. We can explain science, we can explain our day to day lives, but when it comes to comprehending the unknowable, we just can't put it into words. It always comes down to "its too big to comprehend". Its because it isnt real, why try to make it real? We need to live our lives and stop imagining

 

It is the sentience of God that makes acid and shrooms so cool.

 

you believe you can explain your daily life,but im pretty sure it would be far from some sort of objective truth.
example:"I put on my shoes"
if you melt your shoes at which point do they stop being shoes and become a puddle of goo?if the goo evaporates and drifts into the clouds and crystalizes and it falls back down and millions of years later all those particles are dispersed all over the place,when did it stop being a puddle of goo???
we live in fat symbolic worlds,symbols also being a good reason why some would believe that empty space is something that is finite and has boundary,or anything for that matter
they only comprehend a symbolic reference,instead what it really could be,an infinite possibility

its true thinking "outside" the box with infinity is pretty much completely useless in our lives,wont help you get a job or love or whatnot,but if you want to talk philosophy and truth (which is simply entertainment) then lets get dirty!

 

i dont quite understand your analogy with shoes and goo

 

but im saying, there are so many philosophies, and its all a result of power of the imagination. None of it is real, only science, what is testable is real.

 

"what is testable is real"
what is testable can be made useful
anything has the possibility of being real,it just might be beyond your understanding.
the power of god is testable,you can see it in the masses of people worshipping and living by it,wars and massive structures built for it.the energy transfer is great.
you might play a word game and say that its the power of delusion,but god is a widespread symbol that will incite great reactions that last for centuries and centuries,thats the power of god and religion.
if i hug a tree and cry out "its giving me strength!!!!"
and i feel more confident about myself,you would probably smirk and say i just "fooled myself" and the tree didnt give me power at all.
you fail to realize that without the symbolic prescence of the tree I would have not incited that strength and confidence (or would I have found it in another symbol)
you have to recognize the power of the symbol as a catalyst for change and evolution and power.
thats testable


the analogy of the shoes and goo is that symbolic identity is an "illusion"
every snowflake is different,every shoe is different,every cell,every neutron,and every part smaller than those are different
every second and every situation will inevitable have a new set of variables
this is why scientific testing cannot be used to fully explain the universe when we try getting down to subatomic levels
the fact that quantum theorists think they can have a "controlled" environment is ridiculous
the very difference in the earths rotation from moment to moment may have an impact on any given particile at any time
when they use this type of bullshit to say that at the base level of existance,things are "fuzzy" or "random" i barf with laughter
we are simply stupid little monkeys who cant possibly factor in all the variables

who knows whats beyond the thresholds of our knowledge

 

Some people don't seem to get the difference between science and philosophy.

 

there is no difference,we assume everything
we make a reaction occur and say it was because of so and so,but we really dont know because we havent figured out the basic principles of what make up reality,so we are really just ignorant assholes full of ourselves

 

are we really assholes though? or are you just assuming that were assholes..

 

im assuming we are,cuz im an asshole

 

I see no reason to believe in "infinite space". There is nothing in my experience that should lead to such a conclusion. It may be a possibility but I don't believe in possibilities, belief is a higher standard. What makes you think space is empty?