Eastern Gate: An Atheist's Worst Nightmare

Jesus Christ created the earth we live on. Jesus Christ is God.

 

A dream that turned to reality I guess. The gate still stands and so does my faith...

 

How about this for starters, tells US why the porch of the Eastern Gate is still sealed... We've STILL been waiting...

 

How did Ezekiel know that it would not be the original gate that would be sealed but the PORCH of the gate hundreds of years before the porch was built?

 

You don't know God. Jesus Christ is a soul.

 

Jesus Christ is part of the trinity of God who was destined to be sacrificed for the world's sins

 

Some people repeat words from a story, some people know God.

 

i could blast the fucker open.

get me there and give me enough explosives to take down some dumb stone wall.

 

You do that and you prove Christianity and the Bible wrong....

 

He'd be the first to blast down a wall that even the romans/muslims/egyptians/crusaders couldn't

 

Perhaps I should have asked, "You and what army?" ; )

 

Not to mention it isn't even the oiginal gate, it was rebuilt over the ruins after the romans destroyed it in 70AD. The gate has already been destroyed once since the prophecy.

Here is campbells explanation for why the prophecy is still valid:

But this explanation is taking a lot of liberty with interpretation. First, you have to re-define what a porch is. You will find no building built over ruins where they call that new building a porch. But for your prophecy to work we have to change our definition of porches to include buildings errected over old, ruined buildings.

 

They've used that same definition to claim that this building is a porch. It seems they take as much liberty with interpretation of the definition as they to the prophecy itself.

 

Know they do not. They prove that God want's to end this stupid dispute.

titus 3:9-10
"9But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him."

1 timothy 1:4-7
"Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.


5Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

6From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; 7Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. "

You and Campbell need to follow the teachings of the bible instead of stirring up foolish controversy about this ancient prophecy. When it happens, it will be proof enough. Until that time spread real wisdom about God that a man can know now.

 

*I posted this once before but I didn't press the point because for awhile it looked like this thread was going to finally die and I figured I'd just let it.

Since it hasn't...
(and as far as I'm concerned this should end the debate)


The only way christians can make Ezechiel 44 mean what they say it means is to isolate it from the rest of Ezechiel and take it out of context.

If you read a little farther you'll see that in order for the prince in Ezechiel 44 to be Jesus, and in order for his passing through the east gate to be the signal for the start of the "Tribulations" spoken of in the new testement it would mean that you'd also be saying;


1.That after the rapture Jesus will decide to become an orthodox jew and hangout on earth with other orthodox jews for awhile.

2. He'll reinstate blood sacrifice (nothing in the NT. about this not to mention the fact that doing so would pretty much negate the whole purpose of the crucifixtion).

Ezekiel 46


1 " 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: The gate of the inner court facing east is to be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day and on the day of the New Moon it is to be opened. 2 The prince is to enter from the outside through the portico of the gateway and stand by the gatepost. The priests are to sacrifice his burnt offering and his fellowship offerings. [a] He is to worship at the threshold of the gateway and then go out, but the gate will not be shut until evening. 3 On the Sabbaths and New Moons the people of the land are to worship in the presence of the LORD at the entrance to that gateway. 4 The burnt offering the prince brings to the LORD on the Sabbath day is to be six male lambs and a ram, all without defect. 5 The grain offering given with the ram is to be an ephah, [b] and the grain offering with the lambs is to be as much as he pleases, along with a hin [c] of oil for each ephah. 6 On the day of the New Moon he is to offer a young bull, six lambs and a ram, all without defect. 7 He is to provide as a grain offering one ephah with the bull, one ephah with the ram, and with the lambs as much as he wants to give, along with a hin of oil with each ephah. 8 When the prince enters, he is to go in through the portico of the gateway, and he is to come out the same way. 9 " 'When the people of the land come before the LORD at the appointed feasts, whoever enters by the north gate to worship is to go out the south gate; and whoever enters by the south gate is to go out the north gate. No one is to return through the gate by which he entered, but each is to go out the opposite gate. 10 The prince is to be among them, going in when they go in and going out when they go out.

Like I said this is only a bit farther on in the story and it's obvious that the prince in Ezechiel 46 is mean't to be the same person mentioned in Ezechiel 44.

If you read the entire story of Ezechiels vision you'll see it was never mean't to be a prophecy of coming events in the first place but was merely a story of God dictating instructions for the rebuilding of the temple destroyed by the Chaldeans.
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Also; The passage says "The prince will enter by the portico of the gate..."
thing is, a portico can be used to refer to any passage leading to a gate in which case the original gate must have had a portico, that is unless it was hanging in midair unattached to anything.

Since the walls on either side of the gate must have been several feet thick the perimeter or the wall on either side of the gate (front or back) could be considerred a portico.

Also; christians are claiming the newer structure on top of the old gate is the potico spoken of but at the same time they're trying to say it's also the gate that was propheciesed to be sealed.
In other words their saying it's it's own portico and that the gate beneath it is a non-issue.

 

Yes I know that, that's the crux of my point; Ezk. 44 through 46 is part of the same vision.

Yes but in that the jews are expecting the messiah to be a human king and an orthodox jew their interpretation of the vision doesn't contradict itself.

See my previous post

Not the case here; ezechiel 44 fits precisely with the verses before and after it, in that it's all part of the same vision.
This isn't a case of a prophetical passage sandwiched between unrelated narraitive, what you're doing is identifying one part of a vision as prophetical and ignoring the rest of it.

See Ezechiel 43

But only by christians, which makes this circular reasoning. The passage says "GOD", not "The only man considerred to be God".

Sorry, but to me all of the above just looks like an attempt to change the subject.

 

Please do not hate on us. You probably no nothing about the gate.

I am that so confident in God's word that I will boast about the gate. God promises that this gate will remain sealed until the messiah returns and to this day it still is. Let him who boast boast in the Lord

 

Then the man brought me back to the outer gate of the sanctuary, the one facing east, and it was shut. 2 The LORD said to me, "This gate is to remain shut. It must not be opened; no one may enter through it. It is to remain shut because the LORD, the God of Israel, has entered through it. 3 The prince himself is the only one who may sit inside the gateway to eat in the presence of the LORD. He is to enter by way of the portico of the gateway and go out the same way."

portico

n : a porch or entrance to a building consisting of a covered and often columned area


Why would Ezekiel even mention a "Portico" then. Why did he not just say gate. "He is to enter through the gate."

When Ezekiel wrote this, there was no "portico of the gateway."

 

Maybe because Ezekiel was wrong?

 

A wrong that became right... like all the other fulfilled prophecies? Mere coincidences...