Something thats around the intensity as shrooms???

Alrgiht this is going to be my experimental month and im trying to get some ideas of something new to try. Im looking for something thats about as intense as an eighth of shrooms. Ive heard of 2cb or 2ce, u know those 2c drugs. I havent tried acid and im loooking for something less intense that that. So any suggestions on the drug and dosage that would make it equal to around an eighth of muggers. Thanks in advance

 

2-CB-Fly @ 10 mg's is similar in intensity and effects to an eighth of fungus...2-CE @ 10 mg's is a little more intense (but not nearly as intense as LSD), but lasts 2-3 times as long as 2-CB-Fly.

 

hmm this 2cb fly stuff, looks interesting. Just for a first time to get to know what its sorta like, what would 5 mg be like?

 

2C-B-FLY is really a ‘research chemical.’ It has probably only been tried by a few hundred rats and few hundred homo sapiens AT MOST! The risks associated with this one are completely unknown at this time. It may be completely safe, it may cause unknown long-term effects… it may even cure cancer and regrow hair… who knows.

2C-E is reportedly a visual chemical, but it appears to have a VERY steep dose/response curve. What might be a negligible dose for one person could well be stronger than a 10-strip of acid for another. Full-blown freak-outs have been reported by some at around only 10 mg. and yet others have needed 25+ mg. to really get strong effects. There is just no real way to predict in advance how one will react to a given compound, especially this one.

Last but not least, probably neither chemical will really be ‘like’ mushrooms as they are phenylethylamines and mushrooms have tryptamines as their active constituents. While either could probably get equally intense, the effects would probably be notably different.

Please visit here: http://www.erowid.org/general/big_chart.shtml

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ive been lookling at 2cb as well, how common is the drug? And does anyone know if theres any anxious feeling or something on the coming up part?? (ive noticed most psychadelics have that feeling)

And if smoeone heres tried it, can they give me a bit of a trip report?

 

2C-B used to be very common, there are thousands of reports. It´s a very benign drug, you can´t do much wrong. I´ve tried doses from 5 (very mild) to 120mgs (extremely wild), friends of mine have gone up to 350mgs. Unfortunately it´s very hard to get these days...
For reports on the 2C-B-Fly, check this link:
http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125264

 

While this is true, it's not any more applicable to 2-CE than to any other given compound, psychedelic or not. Full-blown psychotic episodes are an imminent possibility on even placebo's. From the be-it-limited research I've done and from what I've gathered from various other sources, the dosage-response curve of 2-CE is actually quite gradual when compared to compounds like 5-Meo-AMT, or better yet, DOM and Bromo D-fly.

However, you are correct, since the 2-C# compounds are phenethylamines they'll not have entirely the same effects as tryptamines like psilocyn or LSD; generally this is mainly the body component, and while some would argue that there is a great variation in visual activity between the two families, one must conclude that even these differences can be chalked up to the mindset of the user and the environment with which they surround themselves.

 

whats the difference between 2cb adn 2cb fly? Is 2CB a relativly safe drug?
Are there a large ammount of bad reactions to its and stuff like that? Also is the high easily controlable at doses from 5-10? sry fro so many quesitons, just being extra safe.

 

I personally think mushies are much more intense than acid... if u eat enough i guess. Acid is not as crazy as you would think. 4-ho-mipt has very mushroom like visuals.

 

You must have never dropped any dank acid...

 

well remember, i wanna try something that i can get right, ive never heard of 4-ho-mipt so i dunno wherd id find that. I hate the feeling u get on the coming up part of shrooms. The whole anxious feeling and stomach discomfort i dont like, is there anything like that with 2CB? Can someone describe the effects and what u feel like in that kind of way at the certain points during the trip ( like "coming up-...... peak-........ come down-.....) somethin like that.

Also this is iomportant...to me anyways Is there any way that i can tell that i wont have some bad reaction to the 2CB??? like maybe if i took like a 1/4 pill (not enough to get high) to see if i would react to it. Kind of like what i heard with cocaine that you can put a bit on your tongue, and wait like 5 min to see if u swell up or get a rash or something and that would tell if your allergic to it or not??? soooo....anyone know what i can do with 2CB to see if ill react to it???

 

*acknowledged*

The individual above was posting seeking a comparison to mushrooms. One wanted to point out that while mushrooms have a fairly linear dose/response curve, 2C-E and other phen RCs can have a VERY steep dose/response curve such that a 10% change in dose can cause a doubling or greater of effects in some.

Also mushrooms appear to be pretty safe physically, fairly forgiving on dosing, and have a history of millennia of usage. Most RCs have unknown physical safety profiles, some have steep dose/response curves, and all are pretty brand spanking new in the grand scheme of things.

Just trying to clarify the risk profile so far as it is known at this time.

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Among all RCs, 2C-B is one of the best explored. It has extreme intrinsic safety - as I already posted, even extreme high doses (up to 350mgs) have been reported to be "survived" with no bigger problems. Best starting dose (imho) is 10mgs.
In opposite to that, the 2C-B-Fly is almost unexplored yet. I´ve done it twice so far and found it to be much more benign at comparable doses. But if you read my trip report (under the link I´ve posted above - or on Erowid), you´ll find out that combos with 2C-B-Fly can be quite strong.
The great advantage of the fly is, that it´s legal (at least at the moment), while 2C-B is illegal in almost every country, that´s why it´s so hard to get.

Btw: I approve very much, that you´re cautious and do good research before trying a new substance. This has (unfortunately) become more and more uncommon during the last year.

 

yeah, 2C-B is well known and has been researched and such, not as much as a couple others though, i think.

anyway, most psychedelics worth taking are of relatively similar "intensity" overall. acid is by NO MEANS "more intense" than mushrooms. it is ENTIRELY dependant on the dosage. i've tripped on both quite a few times, mushrooms much more than acid, and i can tell you without hesitation that there is little difference, one will be more or less intense depending on how much you take.

furthermore most rcs that you can still get rather easily have little information out about how safe they are, and MANY of the popular ones cause a lot of body load and nausea and such that you don't get with mushrooms or acid. mushrooms and acid are tried and true, as long as you aren't a pregnant woman, dont have a heart condition or mental disorders (either latent or manifest) they are entirely safe, and have pretty much NO physical danger. people have consumed ENORMOUS amounts of lsd accidentally and survived...there doesnt appear to BE an overdose level for it that we can find.

not true at all of many rcs, many of which are phenelthylamines and more likely to be physically harmful in large amounts than many tryptamines...both can potentially be trouble though.

not to mention most people are of the opinion that while there are some interesting research chemicals out there, acid and mushrooms really beat almost all, if not all of them.

i would recommend going on an educational "trip" and learn a LOT more about psychedelics and their potentials before you order large amounts of powerful, potentially dangerous, psychedelics.

while i said that between acid and mushrooms only dosage determines if one or the other is more intense, its not true for ALL drugs. for example, commonly available research chemicals such as 5-MeO-DMT is DEFINITELY more intense than acid, and so is DPT. and at what i thought was a pretty decently acceptable dose of 12.5mg of 2C-E, my experience was about as intense as my hardest acid trip (LSD is actually one of the substances i have the least experience with...we get shitty acid here and its really expensive), and at 20mg (well within the dosage range offered by erowid) i was tripping MUCH harder than i EVER have on any mushroom or acid trip, and i've taken plenty of strong mushroom trips (used to grow my own)

if you want to explore another psychedelic other than mushrooms, try acid. if you dont want it to be too intense, dont take heroic doses. if you can handle shrooms you can handle LSD. trust me, its all in the mind. but if you're still convinced that LSD is "too intense" you can always extract LSA from morning glories or something.

personally, i never found LSD more intense, simply more clear and energetic feeling than mushrooms, and it lasts a couple hours longer.

2C-B would be a good alternative, and at normal doses its not so hard to handle as mushrooms or LSD, but at least in the states it's rather hard to find unless you know the right people. it's illegal, so you'll have a hell of a time finding it in reasonable prices and quantities at an RC vendor's site, and it's not nearly as well known or popular as ecstacy, mushrooms, or acid. it doesnt occur naturally in any plants or anything, and you can't just make it in your kitchen. while your posts lead me to believe 2C-B would actually be a prime candidate for what you should try next, you can look for years and not find it.

i'm really shocked and surprised that no one has pointed out that dose is all important in determining the intensity of acid/mushroom trips and just thrown out all sorts of suggested chemicals which we know very little about. RCs are almost all very experimental...they are NOT for beginners, period. many may well be dangerous (several have directly caused deaths) and many are way MORE powerful than LSD or mushrooms.........if you aren't ready to take acid, you are NOT ready to take research chemicals!

especially with no way to measure them out in a reasonably accurate method.

 

so what are u exactly saying....if i dont think im ready for acid then i shouldnt do 2CB? is that it? I can handle a 5.5 gram trip on shrooms, its the just the coming up part which i HATE SO MUCH. I get really anxious and get the feeling "i wish i was home, sober.." but then it goes away and then have the bets time of my life, always. But i just hate going through the first phase whe its kicking in. Are there any shitty weird feelings that u get on the coming up part of 2CB?

 

no, exactly what i'm saying is what i wrote in my post. that 2C-B would be a good choice, but you'll have a beast of a time finding any. that acid is NOT more intense than mushrooms, and i personally find it far easier on my stomach (hell, i've never once thrown up when taking acid, even when mixing it with stuff). that many RCs are potentially dangerous and many are, even in relatively common dosages, at least as powerful as strong acid or mushroom trips, if not stronger.

if you're worried about body load, then acid is DEFINITELY the way to go, and research chemicals should be avoided at all costs. for example, in my experience 2C-E can be pretty incredible, but when i took 20mg (id say roughly the equivalent in terms of intensity of effects as maybe 10g of pilocybe cubensis mushrooms...little over a quarter) i puked my guts out, and actually at the time it felt like thats what was happening. i described it as having felt like i was split down the middle and was having my guts ripped out of me like a fish. and once i threw up, i STILL had a persistant stomach ache for the rest of the trip, which lasts about as long as acid. lower doses also provided similar, but SLIGHTLY less intense body load. acid produces, in my experience, NONE of this, but simply a pure, clean trip.

LSD is by no means the first psychedelic discovered, it's not the easiest to make, either, it doesnt occur naturally in anywhere even CLOSE to usable levels, and yet it's stuck around for many, many decades. why? because so many people consider it the PERFECT psychedelic (i disagree, but it DOES have some REALLY good benefits to it - such as being easy on the body but still being extremely potent by weight, easy to hide, incredibly beautifully psychedelic)

if you can handle a five and a half gram mushroom trip, you can handle two hits of average blotter no problem. ask around and see what your source's reputation is like, ask others how intense they think it is. if you happen to get good acid you may only need one hit. either way, i'm SURE you can handle it. i think the problems you have with mushrooms are mostly due to discomfort - and taking research chemicals is NOT a good way to increase your physical OR mental comfort! not to mention they come in powder form and you almost surely haven't got a scale accurate in the milligram range, so you'll have to make a solution of the drug and water and hope you don't fuck it up so much you dose yourself way too much.

if you get that "why am i doing this to myself?" feeling when you're coming up on mushrooms, thats psychological. it's all in the head, and you can't change your head! its not an effect of the drug, its you handling it poorly, and NO psychedelic out there will EVER keep you from feeling that way. its a matter of YOU being comfortable with it, not getting a "better" drug.

but it sounds like you just want to party and have a fun time, so maybe try taking a roll. it's not really psychedelic (unless it's a bad pill with other stuff in it) at all, but has a LOT of similarities....but the overall characteristic of it is primarily stimulant, but in a very different way than speed or coke. it gives you energy if you need it, but you can also VERY easily relax on it, it'll make your body feel great and give you a SERIOUS mood lift. if it's good ecstacy, you shouldnt have the same problems with the "i wish i was at home, sober" kinda thing. you'll just enjoy it.

 

Sorry nesta, but i must disagree. There are (from my point of you) quite a lot of RCs, that would be a better choice than acid, because most of them don´t bear the danger of a bad trip and are much easier to bring to an end if sth goes wrong.

Under almost every member of the 2C-x group (at least the dozen I´ve already tried) I could go out into the public and behave quite normal. Under LSD, this would be impossible. O.K., maybe a really small dose of acid, let´s say 50ugs, could be proper to handle for a rookie, but imho it´s too dangerous.
Still, I think that 2C-B is the best choice to start with, after that (in that order) follow 2C-C, 2C-D and 2C-I. With a little gap, 2C-E already follows. 2C-T-4 may also be worth a thought.
From the tryptamine family, 4HO-DiPT could be a candidate. From my experience, it´s quite easy to handle. And it´s extremely short lasting, that´s one more point for that stuff.

 

you dont like shrooms cause you get anxiety/nervous when coming up? well sorry to say but ALL psycedelics have done that to me, even E. it is part of the trip. you just have to cope with it. you get feelings like "what have i done to myself?" or 'Boy, i over did it this time". the best you can do is too smoke some bud and relax when this happens. it is part of the trip. shrooms seem to get me nervous alot but you just have to LET GO! let go and dont worry. it is part of the adventure.
for me 2cxxx are a little less nervous for me but like i said you will experence this most every time you trip. not always, but until you can overcome it, then you will.
after the trip is over you can then say you conqured that fear.
good luck!

 

AND LIKE NESTA SAID= dose is important. i have done both acid and shrooms many times, while acid can give me more visuals and is more powerful, longer lasting.....it is by NO ways more intense than shrooms. I have had hardder trips on shrooms than acid...shrooms can leave someone dumbfounded and shocked(egoloss) while acid is like a toy for me. i can interact easier and control my trip on acid better. but everyone IS different.
you CAN try rc's but there are alot of other drugs that maybe you should try fist.
try some pervuian torch cacti....it can be powerful yet REALLY enjoyable..i have never got nervous when tripping on this (but only done 2 times). Or try some xtc, although it can produce panic attacks as well.
i say overall try 2-3 hits of acid = comparable to 3-5 grams of shrooms.or go for some cacti. and then tell us how your next trip goes! i will be reporting some trip reports here this week sometime! hopefully good ones!~

 

what i've said is definitely very strongly flavored by personal experience. same obviously goes for what the flow and anyone else said.

if nothing else, this proves that every mind reacts differently to psychedelics, regardless of what it is. there have been VERY few times i've experienced that type of anxiety, and i've tripped nearly 100 times, many of them very, very intense. i've experienced similar feelings to what was described on 2C-E, mushrooms, salvia, and probably one or two other things i can't think of right now.

basically, what we all have to admit is that NONE of us can tell him for SURE what will or will not be good for him, though we all have our own ideas about it and will promote various things based on our experiences and experiences of those that we know.

for this reason as well as own perspective on the effects of various drugs, i would say acid is a safe bet. you can buy much smaller amounts at a time, and you don't have to measure out doses. until he's got experience with a few other things under his belt, i personally feel that there is no need to spend large sums of money to get dozens of doses research chemicals, even if dollar to dollar he's getting far more bang for his buck than he would with acid.

theres NO reason to believe that he'll get any more out of research chemicals than acid, and acid is something known whos effects are well established and researched enough to know that it poses little to no threat to his mental and physical wellbeing.

if he gets anxiety from mushrooms -every time- its safe to say almost any psychedelic could potentially do so for him, regardless of our personal experiences. perhaps tripping simply isnt for him.

but even if he's saving money compared to buying a comparable amount of acid, i don't think he should be spending 50+ dollars on a large amount of a research chemical that it may turn out he doesnt like or isnt comfortable with. if it's in a solution, he then also has to deal with the issues of using it before it degrades, which could lead to unsafe overindulgance or selling it to others who know even less about it than him, etc.


i dunno. i just think its best to go with acid or LSA or maybe even mescaline cacti at this point. simply makes more sense.