Hello, any Jewish Here!

Hello,
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I am just wondering if there is any Jewish in this forum, I have never met a Jewish. So any Jewish here?
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Islam + Christianity+ Judaism = Y = believing in one beloved God
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ãÍãÏ Muhammad+ ÚíÓì Jesus+ ãæÓì Moses= Y= believing in one beloved God
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Peace and love
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Yeah, I am, but I don't really practice anymore. Check out the Judaism forum, I'm sure the people there would be happy to chat with you.

 

feministhippy
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Can I ask why? If it is meddling just ignore it. Nice to meet ya
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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It's fine.

I suppose studying Philosophy and realizing the wisdom and value of all religions had a lot to do with it. I'm as close as you can be to being a Unitarian Univeralist without believing that you need to attend a church to believe whatever you think is right.

Being raised Jewish was in many ways the best thing that ever happened to me, though, and I'm really proud that I was.

 

feministhippy
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Thanks, I really appreciate it
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May Allah grant you success in every step Amen.
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My deepest sincere best wishes
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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You're super nice Cat... *thumbs up

 

corduroy
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Super nice wow I like it, thank you very much
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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I'm Jewish, but like feministhippy, I really don't attend temple. Judaism forms a great moral foundation though so I probably will join a new temple soon.

 

I'm a Jew, a liberal one. I would extend your naming of the worship of the same god to all religions and all of their prophets, including those religions that no longer exist. After all, no religion has a monopoly on God. And if we don't have a monopoly, then what those other people have must be the same thing. They just understand it differently, or understood it differently. And that's just theology, which is secondary to experience.

dauer

 

^I agree with all that, dauer. As for this thread, I'm not Jewish. I'm like FeministHippie, but except for being raised Jewish I was raised Catholic. But I can't be Catholic anymore because a lot of it is BS, and also, I see great wisdom in so many other faiths, some much clearer (to me) than the Catholic teachings ever were.

So, as they say: "it's all good."

 

pagansrule!
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Really nice to meet ya
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If you don't mind, I want to know more about this.
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the dauer
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I specify these three religions to be in the thread frame, e.g. actually the Arab pagans at the time of prophet Muhammad were worshipping the same God that Muslims do but they were associating partners in worship with god [the creator], i.e. Muslims believe in one, unique, incomparable God, Who has no son nor partner, and that none has the right to be worshipped but Him alone. No one shares His divinity, nor His attributes. In the Quraan, God describes Himself:
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1: Say (O Muhammad): '' He is Allah, the One.2: Allah-us-Samad [Allah- the Self-sufficient master, whom all creatures need, (He neither eats nor drinks)].3:He begets not, nor was He begotten.4:And there is none co-equal or comparable to Him. (Quraan, 112:1-4)
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(Matthew 4: 10)For it is written: Worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.”
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Isaiah 40.25: To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal?
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Isaiah 43.10-11: … ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
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Deuteronomy 4.6: Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.
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Mark: 12: 29:
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29: '' the most important one'' answered Jesus '' is this: hear, O Israel, the lord our God, the lord is one.
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No one has the right to be invoked, supplicated, prayed to, or shown any act of worship, but God alone. God alone the Creator. If someone wants something from God, he or she can ask God directly without asking anyone else to intercede with God for him or her. Prophet Muhammad PBUH was asked to preach the belief in the Oneness of Allah and warn people against polytheism. That is my belief.
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Exactly, that's why God has sent messengers so the people will know who is God and how to worship him this is my belief.
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I want to thank each one for sharing and joining in this thread, I really appreciate it strongly.
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Cat,

I respect your belief. I believe that theology is secondary to experience. If two people share the same experience (awe for example) then I believe that this is first and foremost. How they explain that experience, the theology, is secondary. It comes after as a way to explain what was experienced. If people who are not Jews, Muslims, or Christians are having the same spiritual experiences in their lives, then I would say that theirs is the same Divinity. Unless there is some other Divinity whose experiences are the same, which I do not believe.

If we want to get nitpicky, we can find different ways that Jewish, Christian, and Muslim theology is dissimilar in regard to God because of views on the Trinity or the devil. But I think that experience trumps all of these differences.

Dauer

 

Stevens, what's your view (or an Islamic view) on a religion like Hinduism, that believes that the individual gods (Shiva, Visnu, Krsna) are human interfaces on the unknowable sole God - or Voodoo, which has at the head of its pantheon the one and ONLY God, but which speaks to humans through different interfaces.

Moses spoke to a burning bush. The burning bush was NOT God, but was a Face of God.

I think many "pantheist" (many Gods) are closer to panentheist (there are many ways that God can look like, but there's only one), when you get down to it.

When a vouduisant chants to Ezrulie, he's not dismissing that there's only one God, but is talking to a limited subset of what God is, a Godform for a specific purpose you can talk to in a specific way.

Obviously, to the literal Muslim anything that is not Allah is by definition Shaitan, but are there Islamics who see that perhaps others worship Allah by different names, if not properly?

 

IronGoth,

for clarity's sake, pantheism is usually (albeit not always) the belief that God is everything and I've only seen panentheism defined as the belief that God is everything but God is also more/greater than everything or something similar.

What you're trying to express using the word panentheism, I'm not sure what the specific term is for it.

 

Pantheism = many Gods

Panentheism = everything is God
(versus Monotheism, in which God is everything)

 

pantheism is many gods, but it also can mean that everything is God. This is where you are confused. Panentheism is another term that means that everything is God, but God is greater than everything. To use other terms, in pantheism the world is God, existence. In panentheism, there's something beyond the world which is also God.

Monotheism simply means that there is one god and does not necessitate that God is everything. Monism says that all of reality is one, united, and a monist might say that this is God, in which case, depending on how they mean it, they might either be a pantheist or a panentheist.

Does that clear things up?

Dauer

 

I thought Polytheism meants many gods...? and for the record CatStevens.. I've never met an Islamic person... althought I am not Jewish.

 

Polytheism does mean many gods. I've heard pantheism used as a variation, but I think it confuses things because of the other meaning. Polytheism is much clearer.

 

I was raised Jewish and I am very proud of it. Mostly because I agree, as stated before, in the strong moral foundation that Judaism has to offer. The tradition that comes with the territory gives me a sense of pride and respect to know that my ancestors have practiced the same traditions for thousands of years. It also advocates the pursuit of truth which I strongly agree with.

However recently I have become very confused. Faced with my own doubts of the existance of God. I think what I most strongly agree with is the concept of God as being everything and anything. God is existance. The forces of the physical world and the ability of man to live and to think are not a result of a divine creator, but the divine in itself. The universe in its unfathomably gigantic state and all the laws that govern it (gravity, magnetism, heat, mathematics, etc...) are not created by God but are God. Man's thought and rationality was not created by God, but is God. The atom and sub-atomic particles and the rules that govern chemistry is God. The existance of meta-physical concepts like emotions and morals and justice are God.

Existance is too magnificent in all its spendlor for there not to be a God, but I think that existance in all its enormity is God. I do not wish to insult anyone, but to think that God is a divine being seems rather naive. It seems too influenced by human society and not influenced enough by awe of the universe. I really don't want to insult anyone but, why derive a belief from quotes of an ancient book written by men who where interpreting thier surroundings under a veil of both bias and ignorance.

I think it makes more sense to find religion in your surroundings than it is to trust a book written by someone you don't know who doesn't neccesarily know what he's writing about.

I think what I'm saying is that I have a huge problem with the whole blind faith thing. I dont easily trust people who I dont know and who may have warped things with a bias so it would become readily acceptable according to the local culture. Too much politics in religion and not enough awe of the beauty of existance.

Again I am truly very sorry if I insulted anyone's belief. I only wanted to portray my belief and doubts as honestly as I could.

 

Well I must say you have come a long way from where God would like you to be. The Bible states that the Jews profaned God's name where ever they went. The reason for this is because they fell away from the truth of the Bible. Do you really think the Jews are back in Israel by accident? Don't you even have a clue why they are there? Have you ever made an effort to consider the prophecies of the Old Testament? Or did some one tell you they were just stories? It's hard to believe we are so close to so many things that the Bible states will happen in the last days, and here you are, a Jew, talking about God being magnetism. WOW. Kid, you don't even know the half of it.
Real faith, is not blind. And the men who wrote the Bible were not ignorant, but most people today who have not taken the time to consider it's words, and then speak against it, are.