The Dead Stole Our Music - Sign the Petition!

Discussion in 'Grateful Dead and Phish' started by jazzamatazz, Nov 23, 2005.

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  1. jo_k_er_man

    jo_k_er_man TBD

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    what i dont get is Weir says its a bargin!!! how the hell can something you should be able to get for free be a bargin!!! morons... I prefer grateful over just the dead... always have... it was like trying to use a remote without batteries... it just didnt work
     
    jo_k_er_man, Nov 24, 2005
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  3. madcrappie

    madcrappie crazy fish

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    I was in college
     
    madcrappie, Nov 24, 2005
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  5. Roses are Phree

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    Etree's been down all morning. I'm thinking all their SBD's will be gone when it's back up.

    Anyone up for some B&P's?

    EDIT: Well, it's back and there seem to be more than ever. Get 'em while you can...
     
    Roses are Phree, Nov 25, 2005
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  7. richiebob

    richiebob Member

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    this will be making news soon-there are public domain laws that the archive falls under-hopefully we will have the music back in a few years. i guess now we know why there wasnt a fortieth anniversary tour. i just wonder who was on which side
     
    richiebob, Nov 25, 2005
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  9. SaintStephen

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    This is so not right. I am heartbroken. I honestly feel like my lifelong hero just betrayed me. I was inspired by The Grateful Dead. Their music. Their lyrics. Their attitude, mentality, perspective, everything. I was also inspired by their anti-commercialization mentality. And now I feel like that's crushed.

    The Dead have succumbed to commercialization. The LAST band I would EVER have imagined to succumb to commercialization has fallen. I have no hope for the future of music. I am sorry.
     
    SaintStephen, Nov 27, 2005
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  11. goofydrummer

    goofydrummer Senior Member

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    etree will always be up, i think that the sbds come from external sources, kinda like any bittorrent illegal download.
     
    goofydrummer, Nov 27, 2005
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  13. the_dude

    the_dude Senior Member

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    arent they making enough money to survive? of all the bands, why them? i dont understand.
     
    the_dude, Nov 28, 2005
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  15. alice_d_millionaire

    alice_d_millionaire Just Do It©

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    cha cha cha chaching... wait, that doesnt sound like jerry... o_O
     
    alice_d_millionaire, Nov 28, 2005
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  17. scents&subtlesou

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    listen to all of you jump to conclusions, and condem those who are all contributing forces to one of the greatest bands ever. this is a corporate move. not a move by the band. the quote from Bob Weir is totally being taken out of context. This was a statement made long before this NO DOWNLOADING thing. he is talking about making every peice of DEAD music available on iTUNES, that kicks ass....and the statement about the DEAD not being for every body, who the hell are you??!??! the dead is for everybody. everybody who enjoys it. this is a different world. we are no longer gathering in fields, but on the web like this. passing info and giving heads up on new acts as well as old.....this is a passing thing. i'm still downloading DEAD stuff....just get it while you can and we'll trade amongst ourselves...and we'll get it back on the web. for every one person trying to get The GRATEFUL DEAD off the web for free, there are 100,000 trying to keep it free like its supposed to be.....
     
    scents&subtlesou, Nov 29, 2005
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  19. sensamelia

    sensamelia hippy mom

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    i cannot get gdlive.com up on my computer its saying its not available
     
    sensamelia, Nov 30, 2005
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  21. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    hippiehillbilly, Nov 30, 2005
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  23. goofydrummer

    goofydrummer Senior Member

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    should be working, you are supposed to download the shn files, not the mp3 (it doesnt work)
     
    goofydrummer, Nov 30, 2005
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  25. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    Made the NYT
    November 30, 2005
    Deadheads Outraged Over Web Crackdown
    By JEFF LEEDS

    The Grateful Dead, the business, is testing the loyalty of longtime fans of the Grateful Dead, the pioneering jam band, by cracking down on an independently run Web site that made thousands of recordings of its live concerts available for free downloading.

    The band recently asked the operators of the popular Live Music Archive (archive.org) to make the concert recordings - a staple of Grateful Dead fandom - available only for listening online, the band's spokesman, Dennis McNally, said yesterday. In the meantime, the files that previously had been freely downloaded were taken down from the site last week.

    Dissent has been building rapidly, however, as the band's fans - known as Deadheads - have discovered the recordings are, at least for the time being, not available. Already, fans have started an online petition, at www.petitiononline.com/gdm/petition.html, threatening to boycott the band's recordings and merchandise if the decision is not reversed. In particular, fans have expressed outrage that the shift covers not only the semiofficial "soundboard" recordings made by technicians at the band's performances, but also recordings made by audience members.

    To the fans, the move signals a profound philosophical shift for a band that had been famous for encouraging fans to record and trade live-concert tapes. The band even cordoned off a special area at its shows, usually near the sound board, for "tapers" - a practice now followed by many younger jam bands.

    But more broadly, it suggests that a touchstone of baby-boomer counterculture - the recording made by and shared, sometimes via mail, among hard-core fans - may be subverted in a digital era when music files can be instantly transmitted worldwide.

    The move comes as the group, which disbanded after the 1995 death of its leader and ringmaster, Jerry Garcia, has begun selling downloads of its live concerts through its own official Web site. The band (whose surviving members - the guitarist Bob Weir, the bassist Phil Lesh and the drummers Mickey Hart and Bill Kreutzmann - have since played together under the more compact name the Dead) sells album-length recordings of the shows at prices that can run from about $8 to roughly $16 a copy.

    Unlike the digital files sold at popular music services like Apple Computer's iTunes or Real Networks' Rhapsody, the band sells its music as files that can be copied and transferred without restriction.

    The independently operated Live Music Archive evidently posed unwelcome competition.

    "These folks assembled a Deadhead's dream collection and made it available," Mr. McNally said. "When we discovered it, we decided to take a wait-and-see approach. Eventually, it was the band's conclusion, after a long discussion with them, to request that they change their policies" and make the live recordings available only as streams.

    The contretemps makes clear that the band's decades-long support of fan recordings and trading did not anticipate the popularity of music online.

    "One-to-one community building, tape trading, is something we've always been about," Mr. McNally said. "The idea of a massive one-stop Web site that does not build community is not what we had in mind. Our conclusion has been that it doesn't represent Grateful Dead values."

    Most fans, he continued, "understand they were being granted an extraordinary privilege, and they responded by taking it very seriously" by respecting the band's wishes not to sell their live recordings. "This is not the same situation," he added.

    David Gans, who is the host of a syndicated radio program, "The Grateful Dead Hour," said in an interview yesterday that the battle is rooted in the band's "historically lackadaisical attitude toward their intellectual property." He added: "When they were making $50 million a year on the road, there wasn't a lot of pressure to monetize their archives." Now, however, it may be difficult to put the genie back in the bottle. While the move to revise the Live Music Archive may deal a blow to what many fans considered an organized library of material, "the idea that they could stop people from trading these files is absurd," Mr. Gans said, adding: "It's no longer under anyone's control. People have gigabytes of this stuff."

    * Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company
     
    drumminmama, Nov 30, 2005
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  27. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    So I'm thinking, about McNally's community comment.
    I think he's shortshifting the Internet as community.
    BUT if Achive is the ONLY place that GD and Dead material has been removed from, then Ok, I'll go along with one stop =bad and not community building.
    Balls in our court...what do WE do?
     
    drumminmama, Nov 30, 2005
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  29. timeoutofmind

    timeoutofmind So Many Roads...

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    It was brought to my attention that all of the Grateful Dead shows were taken down from Archive.org right before Thanksgiving. I was not part of this decision making process and was not notified that the shows were to be pulled. I do feel that the music is the Grateful Dead's legacy and I hope that one way or another all of it is available for those who want it . I have enjoyed using Archive.org and found it invaluable during the writing of my book. I found myself being pulled back in time listening to old Grateful Dead shows while giggling with glee or feeling that ache in my heart listening to Jerry's poetic guitar and sweet voice.



    We are musicians not businessmen and have made good and bad decisions on our journey. We do love and care about our community as you helped us make the music. We could not have made this kind of music without you as you allowed us to play "without a net". Your love, trust and patience made it possible for us to try again the next show when we couldn't get that magic carpet off the ground. Your concerns have been heard and I am sure are being respectfully addressed.
    - Phil
     
    timeoutofmind, Nov 30, 2005
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  31. Bassist

    Bassist Gate crasher!

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    If Bobby was involved, this will just further the wedge between them.
     
    Bassist, Nov 30, 2005
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  33. timeoutofmind

    timeoutofmind So Many Roads...

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    yeah it definatly will, and im pretty sure i remember reading bobby wants to put them all on itunes music store.
     
    timeoutofmind, Nov 30, 2005
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  35. timeoutofmind

    timeoutofmind So Many Roads...

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    timeoutofmind, Nov 30, 2005
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  37. SaintStephen

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    SOUND THE TRUMPETS!!!

    BRING OUT THE CHAMPAGNE!!!

    THIS IS A CAUSE TO CELEBRATE!!!

    Who are you?
    Where are you?
    How are you?

    Deadheads Unite!!!

    DEADHEADS REJOICE!!!

    For when commercialism tried to take our music, we fought back and won!
     
    SaintStephen, Nov 30, 2005
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  39. Bassist

    Bassist Gate crasher!

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    That was mighty quick...
     
    Bassist, Nov 30, 2005
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