Are there any people out there writing books or making statements about how Leary was completely wrong, and coming from people without biblical, fearful or ignorant points of view. Is there actually someone out there who is as smart as Leasry saying, "No, you're wrong, this is the way; or how could that be, you're logic Leary, simply is outragous." Peace
you write horribly, but i think i understand what you're asking. and, i'm certain that there are plenty of people who disagree with leary; ask any politcally conservative, religious fanatic--there are plenty of them in this country.
a vast majority of professional in mental health nowadays, would disagree with leary, and that isn't because they are closed minded or anything, we're just not in the 60's anymore hehe ... lots of people who don't do psychedelic drugs would disagree anyways I guess. Or not understand some of the stuff...
I think the original poster asked about NON religious fanatics. And I don't really hear anyone scientifically (if that word can even be applied to psychology) refuting his theories of personality and such. Of course a lot of his 8-level evolutionary things just seem elietist and very simple and linear to me, but maybe I'm not at the level he was. ???
science is about process and method. psychology is absolutely a science. however, it seems incomprehensible as to how one would go about experimentally setting up and controlling (e.g. variable manipulation) any of leary's theories.
Leary is far from the only one to believe what he believed. Almost all ancient religions centered around hallucinogens and meditation. This is how man first met "god". People on different continents thousands of miles away in a time when it would have been almost impossible to meet each other came up with almost the same thing. This is because their minds were not full of the shit we have going on today, people could calm their minds and meditate on a level unachievable today, with all the fuckin politics and bills to pay, and so many religions to coose from. How could it not have and element of truth to it? How can that many people be wrong?
it's still achievable today. in fact, with all the politics and bills to pay, it makes meditation that much more powerful of a tool. peace.
Woundering if you all have dosed before? Just once for me (250mg) and it changed my life no doubt. Just finished "The Delicious Grace of Moving Ones Hand" by Leary. It's a shame that I can't photograph every single page I've ever read by him, I mean I'm usually very skeptical, but I guess I'm just having a hard time wrapping my mind around why anything he writes is wrong. It doesn't make sense to me how anyone could read his books, take LSD, and not have it completely change their life, accept out of fear I suppose. Cheers, George
Just once for me (250mg) and it changed my life no doubt. ~~~~~~~ i would think that 250 milligrams would change anyone's life... 250 ug usually does it for me...
Don't take Leary, or for that matter, any of the psychedelically-inititiated philosiphers too seriously. As my usual contribution, make your own philosiphy. Base aspects of your religion on personal experiences and create your own "God." The lessons taught by compounds like LSD are to "think outside the box," not to think geographically...
Yes in fact. Hunter S. Thompson hated Timothy Leary, he claimed Leary was a sellout and wrong about the 60's. I would not call Hunter a religious freak or a conservative. While I don't stand by his hate for Leary, he is you man for Leary haters
Leary was based at Millbrook during the 60's and if you would like a history of the early years of the psychedelic revolution then you might be interested in the book "Millbrook" by Art Kleps. Kleps lived at Millbrook and writes about how Leary political moves were misguided. Kleps lead the Neo-American Church and if you are interested in psychedelics you might try their website. Original Kleptonian Neo-American Church. Leary was a member of the Church until Kleps excommunicated him for heresy.
Acid doens't do the whole "think outside the box" thing...it does the "what box? whats a box?" thing. If tripping brings you closer to reality or takes you to a deeper reality, and many people have religous experiences while in the depths of LSD trips, then is God or gods real? Can that many people be wrong about there being a God or gods? Or is it that people tripped, sensed a presence greater than their own, communicated it to others, where it was then misinterpreted? Or were the trippers the ones who misinterpreted? Have we been misinterpreting trips all these years? Are we missing something?
I completely agree with that 100% ^^^^ Indeed LSD completely abolishes the notion of a box, or indeed any boundaries except that of where to score the next hit. I agree with the point about the misinterpretation. I am the only one to have experienced 'cid out of my whole year group, and to describe it to people...they just do not understand. People just can't quite interpret my reasoning for ever trying it, I am just another "junkie" as goes the current slang. But to never experience the freedom of expression and freedom of psychological advancement and destruction of mental boundaries, how can they ever hope to understand my reasoning? So, if these seem people can not understand my reasoning for even taking the substance, how could they possibly fathom anything I could describe to them concerning anything I have experienced on a "trip"? Therein lies the point trying to be made above. So one can imagine, someone describing the feeling of this "greater being" to a non-tripper, and them interpreting it as a physical object/person. Which is why all people should take drugs. Except the army of slaves we breed to perform all our menial tasks like eating and cleaning.
personally, i dont know to much bout leary, but my personal way of viewing acid/ne drug is the kesey-prankster way... just get high and have a blast
I was actually about to start a thread on Dr. Timothy Leary and then I saw this thread and thought I would post some thoughts. I get a sense that Dr. Leary is disliked by some hippies and recreational drug users. When I say disliked I don't mean intensely disliked; I mean he is presented as someone who brought trouble to the counterculture and worsened the drug war, speeding up the banning of LSD. It's almost as though he is not a legimitate authority because he was an academic and from the East coast rather than a hippie from the West coast. Perhaps the reason he is disliked is because he became a media figure used by conservatives to attack the counterculture. The slight hostility is noticeable. Still, among other hippies and drug users are his admirers. I don't believe Dr. Leary sped up the banning of LSD so much as publicized it and made it more mainstream. Once it became used by millions it was inevitable that it would be banned. Just think of the prohibition of alcohol early in the 20th century and the scheduling of opiates! The idea that the government would have allowed LSD to be legal if not for party spoiler Leary with his negative publicity is stupid and naive. Dr. Leary was flamboyant, just like many of the major figures of the '60s. Though he was not a West coast hippie, his personality was colorful and vibrant, just like the art and lifestyle of the hippies. In fact he was a hippie in many ways. By sacrificing his academic post for what he believed in, he showed he had far more in common with the hippies who dropped out of mainstream life than he did with conservative suburbanites. Dr. Leary was neither a major philosophical figure nor a truly despicable or unpleasant person, as far as I know. He was just one of many colorful figures of the '60s.
I think that many young starry eyed inexperienced lsd users made the mistake of taking leary too literal. they were looking for a guru and leary obliged them. he was a politician more than a philosopher, trying to please everyone. he took on the guru and philosopher role, not because he was suited to lead in spiritual matters, but because he needed to do so to please the legions of kids following him.
I think that many young starry eyed inexperienced lsd users made the mistake of taking leary too literal. they were looking for a guru and leary obliged them. he was a politician more than a philosopher, trying to please everyone. he took on the guru and philosopher role, not because he was suited to lead in spiritual matters, but because he needed to do so to please the legions of kids following him.
