how can it be so?

that christians are unable to see that the people that wrote the bible are power hungry sharks that dress in religious robes and call themselves bishops and popes...its like a bunch of george bush's writing the bible and deciding what they think is real and whats not as they sit around in there fancy church gear sipping on whine thinking "mmm yes...I'm a pope...I'm holy...mmm"

to further explain my question...how can anybody follow the bible to the extent that they are quoting it as proof when the people that wrote the and edited the bible were just men who sat around saying 'well I think jesus meant this..he may have said this but he meant this.....'

 

Perhaps then, mate, you should tell me what the names of the people who wrote the bible were?

Because if you give me names, that will tell me you're not just making it up as you go along. Is there any parallel in history to what you're saying?

They didn't say "I think Jesus said this", in the Gospels it is quoted, "Jesus SAID: [insert words here] "

Too many times I come to people who say the bible was changed/written by money-mongers/ copied and pasted from other religions, and all those people can NEVER provide proof to it.

 

prove that it wasnt! Its much more likely, considering all of the scriptures that were left out.
Mmm throw this out, add this, cut 'n paste aaaaand, wallah!

 

Let me ask you some questions before I answer this. Is it possible that the compilation of the Bible (specifically the New Testament) was done by men fighting heresy? Is it possible that their motives were pure in trying to establish a collection of works that they believed to be the word of God given to man? Is it possible that the books that were rejected deserved to be rejected because they did not square with the teachings of the apostles?

 

I guess for the very early compilers, like when CHristianity was just taking off.

 

The effect of mass indoctrination is unquestioning, unswerving loyalty, and has typically been noted in totalitarian Communism. Listening to people who have obviously been brainwashed by ideological masters in support of the oppressive regimes is no different to listening to christians defend christianity.

 

Pardon my interruption, but it is more likely that the very opposite is true ~ the Roman Church motives were impure, the books rejected told the truth, and that the real heresy is christianity itself! The foundation of such potentiality is the proven record of the Roman Empire and all of the Caesars ~ brutality, corruption, greed, avarice, injustice, insanity...............all of which christianity presumes to have ceased upon the invention of contentious christian gospels and claims that are so far removed from probability that they can in no way be realistic, claims such as the above quote assert by way of questioning probability.

 

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Do you think that every single pastor and priest in the whole world in every Christian sect and denomination are exactly the same? Do you think we all agree with George Bush? Is that logical? Christians are united by their faith in Christ. After that, the details of what we believe and don't believe are not always similar.

BTW, there is only one Pope. And Protestants do not believe in the authority of the Pope.

 

*So what are you doing about it man? Sit around and wax poetical about regimes and communism and theories?, but if you hate Christians so much, then go out and make the change you want to see in the world.

 

Thanks for so eloquently proving my point MollyBloom ~ a mindless reply if ever there was one!
Why don't you simply prove me wrong ~ or is that impossible?
Oh ~ and hate is the word that comes out from your mind, not mine.

 

ditto for the Orthodox sects

 

Say what? I didn't use the word hate.


There was nothing mindless about my reply at all. I just posed a question to you: it's easy to sit there at your desk writing about communism and totalitarianism and brain-washing. But I'm saying, "Why waste your time?" Why don't you go do something positive with people face-to-face? That's where God is real for me. I love to debate theology and religion, but ultimately, it's not about the theories in the book. It's about the love and engagement in your action in the world.


If that's mindless, than what is mindful? How is serving others mindless?

 

Except that the Gospels and the Pauline letters already had universal approval far earlier than the Roman Church. In fact, only Marcion rejected the Gospels. And in 144 A.D. he was formally excommunicated for heresy. And even HE said that the Pauline letters were reliable.

So, from where are you pulling all this "Roman Church" nonsense? What texts do you have which indicate the motives of the people involved? Do you have anything other than speculation?

When did I presume that it had ceased?

I just asked if it was possible. I hadn't even begun to address probability. If he refused to admit that it was possible, then there is no point in continuing the conversation.

 

You, alsharad, are the only person I've ever come across who talks with both feet in his mouth and still expects to be taken seriously.
Except that the Gospels and the Pauline letters already had universal approval far earlier than the Roman Church
There was no christian orthodoxy before the Roman Church, and thefore no such thing as universal approval until Constantine's Council of Nicea...... this same Roman Church that you inferr doesn't exist ~ So, from where are you pulling all this "Roman Church" nonsense?
And in 144 A.D. he was formally excommunicated for heresy. And even HE said that the Pauline letters were reliable
Funny that the christian church didn't exist until after Constantine's Council of Nicea 325AD, therefore there was nothing to be excommunicated from, no-one to do the excommunicating, and no doctrine by which it could take place.
So, from where are you pulling all this "Roman Church" nonsense?
Even the average idiot knows that christianity was founded by Roman Emperor Constantine who named and created the christian church ~ The Holy Roman Church. For you to nominate actual history as nonsense reflects your own ignorance more than anything else. As usual.
What texts do you have which indicate the motives of the people involved?
It cuts both ways ~ what texts do you have that prove good motives? Answer ~ Nil. Leaving only speculation, especially about your Roman spy and christian persecutor....Saul (St Paul)
Do you have anything other than speculation?
The speculation is all yours. Along with absolute ignorance and audacious stupidity.

 

You didn't use the word "hate"? ~ then what is this??? .

Either you don't know what you are saying (mindless), or you are lying about not using the word "hate."One of the two ~ or both.

By mindlessly serving. That means blind acceptance of all you are told without question. That means believing all you are told without thinking about it. That means not thinking, just accepting. That means mindlessness.
Being mindful would be the opposite of mindless, given the above definition.

it doesn't have to be "face to face" ~ it can be right here and right now in this forum. Wherever it happens, it happens....and that's good.
One changes the world by changing one's self. That is being done. I am also addressing the lies and deceits of christians so as to help open their closed minds so they can also make the necessary changes ~ you know the type ~ the one's who lie about what they say or don't even know what they're saying.....

Thanks again for proving my point. I appreciate it.

 

I apologize. I said the word hate...but it seems here that just be being a Christian you have labelled me "mindless and brainwashed" automatically when in fact this is a conscious, researched and intelligent decision that I made..or I would say God called me to make.


I was not raised Christian.

Much like ImFuzzyNutz, you seem to have an agenda ...and I could be a saint with the highest IQ and I bet you would still call me mindless.

How did I prove your point? I think, better yet, the question is: what is your point Mr Ree? Do you have a point?

I think if you talk to me, you'd find that you like me quite a bit and that my faith helps to form who I am and how I act in the world. I hope that you can say the same about whatever gets you through your day. If not, maybe you should research a little more.

 

Also, MrRee, I still don't understand: how is serving others mindless? When I'm out there helping other people instead of working in some corporate office raising money for my own self-satisfaction...how is that a bad thing?

Hmm...I guess I'd just say that you have to be pretty unselfish to serve others. Maybe you are angry with me because you are angry at something in yourself.

 

You have re-interpreted my statement about christians mindlessly following a false doctrine so as to apply to your personal acts of kindness/service. in order to answer your own question, you might like to re-read my original assertions without your biasses or prejudices (that is, with an open mind). That way you might better understand what this discussion is all about.
I too unresefvedly apologise to you mollybloom for saying that you were mindless. It was very wrong of me to do so. I would, however, question how it is that you can deny saying something that you really said, and suggest you look into the inner workings that cause such denial in the face of reality. That is one aspect of the "point" I am trying to make which again can be found in my initial assertions (were they read clearly and correctly)

 

What I was trying to say here is that my mistake about not saying the word hate when I really did is not the same thing as being "mistaken" in my faith. I forgot about a word. That's a mistake..yes. But I don't think one can make some grand analogy out of my mistake and compare it to my faith.

If I were going to make an analogy, I would say that I'm not perfect, ..I sin, because I'm human. Thank God for his/her great grace...

 

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