I am woman and I am entitled.

RE: Fact - More of my male colleagues take time out... sickies? nah... usualy they got too pissed up the night b4... or they just cant make friday coz they need to prepare for that golfing weekend... and stress?...now thats always a good one....

There's a difference between a day off and MONTHS off to have a baby. Try again.

 

taking a few months off work to bring up the next generation is an admirable thing to do... working a 3 day week when all us females have to work 5 or 6 and still babysit men isnt

 

RE: aking a few months off work to bring up the next generation is an admirable thing to do...

I didn't say it wasn't. But that's unfortunately what happens. The women take months off.

A lot of career women don't - they take their two weeks vacation and find a daycare.
They make the same as the men. It's the ones who quit, take the year or two with the kids then go job-hunting that bring down the average.

 

It would be better to not speak in such absolutes
as "women cheat for love, men cheat for sex"

I think it is just as fair to say that some men
cheat for love, and some women cheat for sex.

So men love theirs wives whole heartedly and
are treated shit, and vice versa for women,
and, likewise, some want sex.

The argument makes all men sound like
heartless sex fiends, and women are all
innocent and unloved.

Bitching and blaming the other sex isnt
the answer.

A man treating his wife like the Goddess,
and the woman treating her husband as the God,
as they both go through life, growing and becoming
stronger and stronger in compliment to the strengths
of their partners is the way to make it all work.

But the still present patriarical mindset of
our country, and the rest of the Judeo-Islamic-Christian world.

Learn to love and grow in our differences, and love the
whole that they make.

 

Six in ten married women cheat?.... That seriously makes me want to not get married... That's such a heartache

 

thanks brother

Just "preachin" the way lol

 

iron goth..........hmmm how to say this

o yah ur a d@#$ so do up a bag and drop dead. you pick dumb arguments that neither side can win. the whole women get paid less NO women get paid more is a dead F@#$IN ARGUMENT SO SHUT THE HECK UP!

stop actin like a baby, pull your pants up and let the feminazis have a big #### in there bras over the money they dont make. dont eg them on!!!!!

sincerley
-RYDNS

 

umm, what's a d@#$? a ####? If you're going to yell at someone at least have the balls to swear properly.

Irongoth is good and beign the devil's advocate, at pointing out some things we don't see. Yeah, sometimes the repetitive argument gets a little irritating but only when he's acting like he's given up on it and is just whiningn, mostly the little bits. any time it's more than a couple sentences, well..... go back and reread it, not as somethingn designed to be inflammatory but as something designed to provoke thought

 

If he said, "I am a human and I am entitled", no one would question that.

Pointing out empowerment because of male identity would seem arrogant, only becase it would usually imply that females are inferior, and that social advantages in his favor are deserved merely becuase of his gender. When it comes out of a woman's mouth, it's usually just a statement of defiance against a world that does not offer equality, especially in the area of respect.

Debates about gender-related issues should never turn into one side playing the part of forever victim, men or women.

 

Thats still a good percentage of the adult female population.

 

"Women can and DO carve a career AND have kids...often having to study at the same time so that they can return to their careers not having been left behind by technological advancement... something most men wouldnt be able to cope with."

- I think that YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE INSANE to want to have BOTH A CAREER AND CHILDREN. Nobody could handle it, especially not men, because men don't have that drive they get from others wanting them to do it. I think that women do it in most cases because its what people, like their parents, want from them. "I want my daughter to have a good career and kids, and get married". If you are going to do it, you'll need a guy to help with the kids, and I don't have statistics on how good your chances of finding one are, but my point is: your setting yourself up to get fucked over by trying to live up to your parents or societys insane expectations. Most women do a poor job coping with it, so don't say men couldn't do it.

My parents expect me to get married and have kids... Well I think their dumb. I don't care what they want me to do with my life. If I ever do have kids, I will do MY PART as a HUMAN to help with the kids, contrary to what society and the divorce industry think I should be doing. Either that, or I'll find a foriegn woman (you can argue the points of their "oppression" and social conditioning with the Marxists, because I don't give a damn) to be a stay at home mom, while I go out and get a paycheck.

"Fact - Qualifications and experience are NOT just a male thing. i'm as if not more qualified than most of my male colleagues.. i do longer hours and my salary reflects that.... I also have always been the main wage earner throughout my marriage AND i have brought up 2 kids.."

- Maybe you can do it, maybe your just not telling us how hard it was. How often do you think about suicide? Some people are better at things than others, but not all women are as capable as you, and its ignorant to assume they are, and its sexist to assume that men aren't as capable of you, even though most aren't.

"Fact - Yes.. women pick careers they like... men dont?... how sad... if you want to get up in the morning and work your balls off in a job you dont get any satisfaction out of then hey... just goes to show we women have more self worth."

- More self worth? Women pick careers they like and men don't? That is not true, and you can laugh your ass off all you want in your own sexist delusion. The ratio of men who are happy with their jobs to women who are happy with their jobs is the same. Its sexist to believe that less men enjoy their jobs because they pick jobs they like less because they have less "self worth". If anything, its societys fault and capitalisms fault for setting it up that way, not because people of different genders "are" that way.

You judge people who have no grounds to judge them on. Life your life and shut up, because you don't know anything about how other people are.

Your brainwashed by feminist bs. Your "facts" are based on sexist assumtions.

 

This is sexist. Not all males are rapists. I suspect that all rapists are sadists.

So is this the gender roles society is handing out?

Reguardless of how many people beleive them or try to live by them, they are not an accurate depiction of human nature.

I can't believe this. Are people really this dumb?

 

Ok, fine then. We should do exactilly what this guy says. Girls need to all go back to the kitchen and take care of children and stuff and men need to go out and hunt things and whatnot, because its our "natural instincts" and "life". Incase you don't know me, I was being sarcastic. Society does create gender roles, for example, one gender role is men wear ties and women wear dresses, or is it our "natural instincts" to have men wear ties and women wear dresses?

I can't believe this guy, he is trying to discredit me because I am 15, but that has nothing to do with anything I think. This guy isn't trying to discuss the issue with me, hes insulting me. Instead of giving reasons why I am wrong, he states his opinion, then proceeds to call me "dumb". I wont insult him, because I don't believe insulting or judging people accomplishes anything, and I ask you all to take everything I say into consideration, reguardless of my age, or whatever you may think of me, even if you don't agree with what I say. Insulting people in an attempt to discredit them and maybe their ideas void is agianst the spirit of democracy.

 

I disagree.
I know many guys who couldn't care less about sex...
and women who cared only about sex once...

Seriously....