Ole Bushy has a great plan to win the war.....train the Iraqi's to fight and win it for us. Neat huh? we're gonna train them to do what we can't. We've yet to catch a senior member of Al-Queada or defeat the insurgency in Iraq...might be something to consider finishing before we expect the Iraqi's to secure their country..you think? Meanwhile global terrorism is growing strong and recruitments are rising faster than the U.S can recruit their own national gaurd. Even if Bush's wet dream came true..so what? What are we gonna do..invade every country on the planet and force them to fight our war on their soil? Bush's stratedgy is very narrow minded, it's assuming terrorism is an Iraqi problem only and can be won only in Iraq....in other words we aren't a bit safer, in fact we are probably worse off than before 9-11. Ignoring the problem isn't going to make it go away and failing to see the light will surely bring darkness... pray for America, we're sure gonna need it with a moron as president
Hmmm a little sarcasm huh? well if you watched the news you wouldv'e notice that the so called senior members where basically unknowns proclaimed senior by America. By "senior" I mean bin Laden, Zarchary or other well known Al-Queda leaders. According to the Americans, they have caught the second in command about 20 times now Oh no of course not..that's why he's committed all of our resources and most of military into Iraq Well tell ya what, there is no evidence that shows otherwise..just ask Spain, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Madrid ect
could it be that there hasn't been a major terrorist attack on u.s. soil because, well, maybe, just maybe al queda isn't as fearsome a force as we're lead to believe? they are portrayed in the media as soldiers when frankly >70% of them have degrees, I'm sorry, but this doesn't feel to me like a group that is an extroidinairly well trained fighting force, more like some white collar idealists who only manage to sneak through then we're picking our noses...... ridiculous.....
Only one major event in the decade prior to 911 as well, so the all too common mantra of those who so unquestioningly believe in the Al Qaeda boogeyman myth doesn't really stand up. The WoT is a PR wet dream designed to justify outrageous budgetary winfalls for the Defence and Security industries and particular federal agencies, whilst instituting gestapo-styled abrogations of legal protections and due process of law for those who get in the way of the administration and its client states' goverments. Got political opponents and dissidents, no worry just add their names (Arab-sounding names preferably) to the handy list of "Al Qaeda" operatives and we'll see that they are duly abducted and tortured at one of our purpose designed facilities around the world (with banner headlines of our success in capturing another "top man" to bolster our charade).
Embassy bombings in Africa, the marine barracks in Lebanon, the hijacked jet in France that the hijackers wanted to fly to Paris but wanted a full load of fuel before getting underway for a 100K trip cough: fuel bomb, fuel bomb). Yup, a toothless boogeyman, for sure. But yeah, no one seems to remember that Timothy McViey(sp) was a white Anglo-Saxon American who happened to drive a truck bomb up to a government building, set the clock, and walk away. Terrorists come in many colors. And some of them dress up in suits and hold press conferences.
Obviously the conflation of issues has achieved its intended results in the ADD-ridden minds of American populace who can no longer distinguish between acts (and note that no evidence for the ascribed events has ever been produced to prove it as being any one specific group, aka Al Qaeda or even Bin Laden) against government/military targets (not terrorism by any legitimate definition of the term) and those against civilians and civilian centres. Part of the entire boogeyman PR that followed 911 was this very blurring of distinctions with nothing more than assertions that those who attacked foreign-based military targets would naturally be the same responsible for a wholly different modus operandi with regard to the WTC. Clearly critical examination of the wide categorical disparities between the two went right out the window and hasnt returned to dawn upon those who might well be prepared to acknowledge the propensities of this administration for repeated falsehoods on other issues. Different time, different place, same old unproven boogeyman myths to justify renewed US neo-colonialist aggressions abroad and incremental curtailment of Constitutional protections at home.
Mcgee What little guy? Do you mean Iraq? Are you saying that all Iraqis were somehow threatening America? ** “you might beat the shit out of him” so punishing all of the Iraqi people for Saddams mistakes is OK? ** “If you offer your hand to help him up and he wont take it, then fucking walk away” Ok let me get this straight, you go to Iraq to liberate the Iraqi people, you completely fuck up all the way along causing the Iraqi people a lot of misery in the process, then you want to just walk away? ** “when there hasn't been a successful major terrorist attack on US soil in the last 4 years” Are you saying it doesn’t matter what happened in Bali, Madrid or London, that since they were not Americans it doesn’t count?
I think the major problem here is that in a war of perceptions the US has come across as an arrogant bullying fool, to many people in the world. Arrogant because it was so cock sure it was right that everyone that disagreed with them was wrong and it was sure it had the might to do anything it wanted even if it had to do it alone. Bullying because it seems to lash out in often nasty or petty ways when it doesn’t get it’s own way. And foolish because its people seem so easily manipulated and its leaders come across as a bunch of incompetent fantasists. If Osama is still alive he must be pissing himself with laughter. Many people around the world hate or dislike this US government and even many friends are disillusioned with US ‘leadership’. Many of the liberal freedoms that people like Osama hate so much are being curtailed in a supposed effort to thwart Osama, a royal case of shooting yourself in the foot. All the Bush admin has done is cause division when what we needed was unity, because it believed that the US could demand unity and help rather than earning it.
So instead of decapitating an aid worker like Margaret Hassan they should have hijacked an airplane and crashed it into her? Could you possibly come up with a more stupid and pathetic attempt at logic? Could anyone?
Attacking military/government targets is not terrorism, simple as. That you of all people should presume to lecture on logic is the best joke I've heard all week. As for kidnapping, please provide your concrete evidence that your "they" is Al Qaeda or any other so called "terrorist" group. Repeated allegations however widely televised do not suffice for proof of those responsible. Least of all in a theatre of war rife with propagandistic news reporting.
As you and your ilk are wont to do! Duly proscribed, henceforth (and appended incessantly with verbiage in brackets)? Matters little. Oft heard and scripted with regurgitated soundbites, the neocon sheeple spout like Goebbels would have insisted, duly! LOL! Best you educate yourself properly, boy, inasmuch as such practices are still possible in the Nazi-like state we have been reduced to, wherupon our forefathers might applaud my snide retorts which have led you to reason! Should you contend otherwise, i recommend you note my astute use of smileys which suffice where my capacity for humour is most conspicous in its absence!
“Stop wasting tax-payer money on a frivilous war. Now if we can reap some of the economic benefits of cheap Iraqi Oil, then I may have to rethink my position” That’s like someone, lets call them Uncle Sam, adopting a sick child but not because Sam loved the kid and wanted to help but just because he wanted to get his hands on the child’s inheritance. But then Sam found out how much the medical fees were costing so one nigh while the kid was coughing upstairs he packed his bags and abandoned the kid to his retched fate. But if the lawyers were just able to get the kid’s money he would have stayed? Now the kind of person that thinks Scrooge was a much better person before his Christmas nap might think this exemplary behaviour but most people would think it terrible. That’s the problem with the perception of the US in the world. Now I believe that the neo-cons goal was not the Iraq oil as such (although it did help) but about dominating the region where the oil came from, but many people think that the US went to Iraq to get hold of the oil. That it was only pretending to help the Iraqi people and that now the cost has become to high they want to leave. “But the original post of the thread was primarily adressing the US, and in the US there hasn't been a major attack in 4 years.” The original post said “Meanwhile global terrorism is growing strong” and went on to say that “Bush's stratedgy is very narrow minded, it's assuming terrorism is an Iraqi problem only”. The US may not have been hit since 9/11 but the global threat has not gone away as I pointed out, it once more is perception, with many Americans feeling that as long as they are not being ‘hit’ then everything must be going fine. Every time an Americans says this it seems to suggest that the British, Spanish Australian, Indonesian, Afghan and Iraqi deaths are not that important it is only Americans that count? It is not the way to make friends and keep allies. As I said it increases the belief outside of the US that Americans are self-centred, arrogant, bullies and fools.
