basically which RCs are goign to breakdown unless I freeze them or perform some other steps, and which are fine to keep for a long time?
Generally every RC should be stored in a cool and dark place, because sooner or later, they all degrade. Very fast degrading are acid, peyote, DMT, some 2C-T-Xs and shrooms.
what? i was certain that peyote had just about the longest "shelf life" of nearly any of the common naturally occuring -psychedelics- there were. they've found centuries old buttons with relatively significant quantities of mescaline in them still, havent they? sure, under certain circumstances and given enough time any drug WILL degrade, but i've always been under the impression that mescaline and several other phens were among the hardiest of the bunch....
I know that the Professor Emeritus of Anthropology at SUNY Albany, Dr. Peter T. Furst reported that some peyote buttons that had been found in Trans-Pecos / Big Bend area were radio carbon dated at UCLA and found to be from circa 5000 B.C.E…. and I quote: “The amazing thing about these ancient peyote buttons is that they were still active, although not terribly potent.” (Higher Wisdom 2005 page 153) !!!!!!!! If mescaline is still somewhat potent after about 7,000 years when no special precautions were taken to preserve it, one would hazard to guess that little loss of potency would be noted over the course of a human lifetime’s worth of storage. Regarding other phenylethylamines, some of the 2Cx and DOx series appear to be fairly stable some of that is briefly covered here: http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.cgi?ID=1768 Many of the trypramines appear fairly susceptible to oxidation and/or degradation if not stored in cold, dark environments… but most of them still appear to do fairly well at room temperature for a month or two per the report of various persons posting on this and other boards. I B
Sorry, I made a mistake. Peyote is very stabile, only pure mesacline (without all that plant around it) degrades fast.
i thought i read on here someone repeating a quote attributed to sasha shulgin...something to the effect that had the ancient egyptians known how to synthesize MDMA, we would be finding active samples of it in the tombs of pharoahs....or something....lol
yeah, i know. but i was thinking of something i read on hear about some phenelthylamine, i think MDMA was the one mentioned...oh well. could be remembering wrong, or the person who originally posted it could have been wrong.
It could have been me... look at the link in my post earlier in this thread... it has a reference to just such a quote. I B
yeah, you're right thats what i read...now i just don't know if i read it here or there, but the distinction makes pretty much zero difference....
But this brings us to one even more interesting question: The home of the coca plant is South America. It was not known in Europe until the 18th century. And there´s no place in Africa where coca grows naturally. So if there´s coca in those 4,000 years old mummies, this would be a proof, that the old egyptians had trading contacts into South America. And this would mean, that neither Christoph Kolumbus, nor (400 years earlier) some Vikings "discovered" America. It was the Egyptians, thousands of years ago! (Well, to be more precise: America was of course "discovered" by some asian tribes who wandered across the frozen Bering Street during the last ice age, prrox. 12,000 BC.)
Mescaline, even in pure form is very stable. Any chemical can degrade over time if improperly stored. But many phenethylamines can easily outlive their "owners" (us) if stored under decent, non-extreme conditions. Have you guys read of the 1000+ year old peyote buttons that were found? I believe they're in a museum now, but I've seen pictures of them on display. They were analized and tested positive, still having a decent amount of mescaline. I've heard reports claim that little, if any, was lost. I can't confirm this, and can't find the original source right now. I'll keep looking. Heres one though: http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/mes01.htm "These peyote buttons were ancient. In fact, they were believed to be around 1000 years old. For a millennium they had lain there, interred beneath the Earth, withering, drying and aging year-in, year-out... The analysis revealed that mescaline was present and that the aged buttons were therefore indeed derived from the peyote cactus..." 2C-I is ridiculously stable. I know a guy who measured his doses via h20 solution. Keep in mind that it was done, stupidly, with tap water. After 9 months, no loss in potency was noted. Bogus blotter laid with DOI or DOB can easily withstand conditions that'd destroy acid blotter. I don't know much about the 2CT-x compounds, but they aren't extremely unstable from what I've read. 2C-E should last a while out of solution, but I've read some theory on why ethyl alcohol may break it down after extended exposure. Obviously, chlorine is going to do more harm than good for most any of these. Indole compounds are much more likely to degrade. 4-HO-DiPT is well known for starting to change color almost immediately after having the seal broken. Many people have had their stuff turn grey/black, though it doesn't always mean a major loss of potency. 4-Aco-DiPT seems a little more stable. And if you plan on mixing any of these into solution, hopefully you plan on dosing them in the very near future. Unlike the 2C-I, if you try to evaporate it, you might find yourself with some black gunk. So, be careful with your tryptamines. It might be wise to finish ones you've opened a year ago before opening another.
of course africa had trade with south america long ago. why else the pyramids and similar religious beliefs? you know whats really crazy? olmec statues. they've found these giant carved stone heads in south/central america from a long dead culture....but the heads are pretty much carved to resemble stereotypically AFRICAN facial features, not what you would expect from pre-columbian americans. there's also very strong evidence to support the idea that whites have made extensive contact with the americas long before it was recorded (even before the vikings went to north america, perhaps) do you remember the story of quetzalcoatl? theres also some evidence to support the idea that perhaps even southeast asia and mainland asia may have had some transpacific trade going on! besides, you have to wonder how come there are so many island cultures completely isolated from each other without the technology to make watercraft capable of traveling great distances out at sea, and why so many of these cultures would definitely appear to have features to strongly suggest asian genetic influence. anyway, the history of the americas is almost never taught. what we know as "history" is just what has been traditionally selected and placed in textbooks. what we need to realize is there is very very rarely ANYTHING we can claim as historical FACT. our educational systems need to start reflecting this truth and teaching our kids that we can only peice history together with what few records we have, that we know many records are inaccurate and perhaps some very common beliefs about what happened in centuries gone by may well be utterly false, and that no one will ever be able to know FOR SURE how the world came to be what it is today. personally, i dont believe for a second that columbus did anything particularly significant at all, other than being history's most revered and beloved pirate.
All things eventually change given the stochastic nature of quantum mechanics… If I remember correctly, it is quite possible that even super-dense black holes will eventually ‘evaporate’ after about 100 googolplex years +/-. While a neat fact, from a humanistic perspective, one can generally consider mescaline quite stable… especially if kept cool. I B
If you refer to my previous post about the egyptian mummies: No, small amounts of cocaine and its degrades were found in the body tissue of the mummies. They must have consumed it (quite regularly).
i'd think it's entirely possible that cocaine could exist in some quantity in a plant in africa, though. besides, it's been so many centuries, they didn't exactly have botanical textbooks in ancient egypt, and the species may well be extinct and unrecorded by now. in that location it would be very hard to chance upon a preserved botanical specimen in the field, unless the egyptians knew about it and buried it with their mummies. you said it wasn't coca, but cocaine, right? just my take on it if thats the case.
yes i have been reading books about the egyptians.... they have found cocaine and cannabis.....in thier society. i believe these egyptians were advanced for their time to have this availabble
