what's up with christians hating jews? (serious question here!)

Fine (I will admit I am not very knowledgable about the Bible, especially in regards to the Old Testament), but you still haven't given me anything that makes my previous post wrong or invalid. According to the Gesesis account, Semites can be (and are) Arabs and Jewish (as well as other nations, in the ancient sense of the word, not the geo-political sense) because thay are all the sons of Shem, who was the father of the Semites.

EDIT: There isn't even a point in debating this though, so I am going to drop it...

 

Semite

1. member of Semitic-speaking people: a member of any of several Semitic-speaking peoples of the Middle East, including the Arab and Jewish peoples, and the ancient Assyrians, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, and Phoenicians
2. offensive term: an offensive term for a Jewish person (slang)

Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

I stand corrected on the Semite questions. Thanks for pointing that out. I think it's also interesting that the dictionary I quoted above also says that semite is an offensive term to use towards a Jew. If that is the case, then a bunch of us have been wrong to suggest that anti-semitism is anti-Jewish.

Go figure.

 

It's not cool to go back and edit your posts and add information that wasn't there before a reply to make yourself look smarter dude. geeeez

Anyway, the original question was not why do Christians hate Semites, it was why do they hate Jews. And again, I have to say that a true Christian who adheres to the teachings of Christ trys not to hate anybody. Love your neighbor, and even your enemies is a reacurring doctrine of the New Testament. However, the Bible does also say to love what is good and hate what is evil, so I suppose some people may misconstrue that to mean "hate who you think is evil". Ever heard the phrase, "Hate the sin but love the sinner."?

 

Just so you know, Iranians are not Arabs; they're Persians aka Aryans. The word "Iran" comes from the word Aryan and means the same thing. They migrated from the east and north, I think. And the Turks, which are also in the Middle East, are also not Arabs, Turks come from central Asia/Mongolia.

Of course, Arabic influence is strong in both, thanks to them both being Muslim nations by and large.

 

Yeah.. it gets pretty wierd when you get into this because a lot of the Arabs see themselves as the true 'Semites' and they go on to 'prove' what are now called 'Jews' are actually 'Caucasion' or 'European' and so on.
But for sure the Arab world would corner the market on the most 'Antisemetic' people in one place.

Whoever called Nazis a 'Christian group' ought to apologise or find the person who told them that and kick them in the head.
Nazis were a funny little ideology mix of Occultism, Theosophy (ok maybe same things) combined with Evolutionism and yeah.. they also were fans of what we now call 'Liberal Christianity' or 'Higher Critisism which btw is very popular in your typical liberal american univeristys today (and apparently Hipforums).

The KKK is not a Christian organisation anymore than the 'Black Panthers' were some legit Muslim community group.

I do know this much though - Jews = NOT POPULAR in the Middle-East Arab world.
Not at all.
If you think secular humanist 'liberal' jews (and most not actually practicing) that make hollywood movies being 'frowned upon' by American Evangelics is 'Anti-Semetism' then you should pick up a couple hours of 'News' from Syria or Iran.
Now THAT is some SERIOUS Hitler level AntiJew hatred going on there - and thats just the 'Mainstream' channels lol!

I see Iran is calling for the annihilation (or deportation to Canada) of the State of Isreal.
Dont be fooled by their talk - they really want them ALL dead but they just say moved for diplomatic purposes.

 

I'm pretty sure the kkk was built on white-ness and protestantism.

And the thing in the middle east is not anti-semitism. They don't hate them because they're jewish, they hate them because they came and occupied their land and kicked them out. Why that's an issue this much later is beyond me, but some people hold grudges I guess.

 

It's because they came and did it again, what with modern Israel. The area, until 1948 I think, was called Palestine and was not a Jewish state. After WWII, the West felt bad about the Holocaust and gave them a homeland. Or so the story goes, I don't know if that's the real reason.

 

As I undertand it, the problem originated with Abraham. The way the Bible tells it, God promised Abraham and Sarah a son who would be the Father of God's chosen people. Abraham and Sarah were childless and both quite old then, and since she had been incapable of bearing children, Sarah talked Abraham into getting the slave girl (Hagar I think) pregnant to fulfill God's promise. The result was a son named Ishmael. But God was not pleased. He intended for Sarah to bear the child. It wasn't until Abraham was 100 years old that Sarah did eventually give birth to Issac. Now, as the story goes, God promised both sons that they would be blessed and would be the Father of many nations. The division of the linage continued to further separate the two resulting peoples, and the struggle has continued ever since. Who are God's chosen people, and who has the rightful claim to the "Promised Land"? That is root of the contention between the Muslims and the Jews in the Middle East.

However, if you advance to the New Testament, Jesus taught that through acceptance and belief in him and his teachings, anyone could claim to be one of God's chosen people. That they would be adopted into the Royal Family and ingrafted into the holy lineage. The New Testament also teaches of a New Jerusalem that Jesus will return to and preside over. A place where believers from all over the world will come to finally worship and be in the presence of God.

Fundamentalist Jews who have never accepted Jesus Christ to be who he said he was have a problem with this notion. They are still waiting for a Messiah who will come and finally restore them and the nation of Israel as God's chosen people and nation. Christians accept Jesus and the teachings of the New Testament and await the return of Jesus and the exodus to the New Jerusalem, and I think Muslims believe that Mohammed is the one who came to establish the Muslim faith as the true faith of God or Allah as they refer to him. Their goal is to establish their faith as the dominant and only world wide religion.

 

The christians who hate jews are probrably those Racial Covenant Identity Holocaust Rivisionism fuck-faces.

I don't support Christianity and I sure as hell don't believe it, but somewhere in Revelations it says "There is neither jew nor gentile, la la la..." Can't remember the verse but it's there...look it up or something.

 

Isnt it weird that 2 of the main characters in the Patriot are Australian? i always thought that was kind off odd.

Anyway, i dont even get this hate thing. Jesus was a jew anyway, and a very strict one with that.

 

It's just that, hate and its in all organizations. What comes from hate is hate and not Christ, they prob are very scared people underneath or just have that kind of life. I have trouble blaming anyone for anything..seems the more you know the more innocent humans seem, just so confused.
but no, hate and Jesus don't go together if opposites existed that would be it.
It all has to come from love first, thats the message. Love and willing to listen and understanding. Be brothers and sisters on this planet then talk in good spirits with humans about different philosophy and religion ya know?
I believe in Jesus through Grace and salvation..I believe he was the Son Of God
but lets be honest it doesn't fall into the rational or logical lol I mean why anyone would push this is beyond me
oh well Im rambling
God bless
peace

 

My college professors have more important and interesting things to talk about than modern religions, except in classes dealing with the destruction of indigenous religions in colonial America, and what A&E is supposed to mean, I have no idea.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. It's moronic to interpret PotC as an anti-semitic movie, and even more so to hate jews because they killed Jesus, because if you believe that Jesus died for our sins, why would you mind that the jews helped him a little with it (I can't imagine autocricifixion to be easy, if at all possible)?

Either you misundersdtood or I misstated my initial question, because I do not think christians hate jews per se. What I meant was, why they would hate the jews, not why they do. I just read about a possible outbreak or intensification of christian hate against jews, remembered a history lesson in which I was told that the persecution of jews in christian countries started many a century before it's climax in the forties. The stupidity of it all struck me and I decided to ask about it here.

 

jews have done the same.

 

While your initial question may have been misinterpreted, I think a few of us have provided a multiplicity of possible, and plausible answers. You targeted Christians, but the answer to your question can be found in another question. Why have the Jews endured persecution and hate over the centuries from numerous peoples, countries and religions? That answer is found in the Bible. It is because, traditional Judaism has refused to accept God in the form of Christ as prophesied in the Old Testament and taught in the New Testament. (Even though the first Christians were Jews, the majority of Jews did not become Christians and Christianity was propogated primarily through the Gentiles, or non-Jewish peoples.) The "chosen" people have a long history of being blessed for embracing God and adhering to his tenets, or cursed for turning away from him in disobedience. This situation is ultimately resolved in the New Testament book of Revelations where it is implied that the tribes of Israel will finally be gathered together and restored as God's chosen people.

 

If remember it was bunch of russians comunist and capitalist GI who saved your ass in 1945. Not Moses or God and 90% were gentiles. "give or take a few".

 

Let me be clear, Im not 'antisemitic' and do no condone it.
It does boggle my mind that some in the Jewish Orgs seem to almost want to antagonise the sentiment - and no better example than El Guzanos post points out.

Obviously, Nazis were persecuting Jews there in the 40s and its sick and wrong and no question.
It happens that millions of Christians (and others) died in the effort to rescue them - which they did finally!

Now dont get me wrong, you dont do anything for a thank-you.
Thousands of young Christians Canadian men (and women) did not fight and die to liberate Europe and Jews in Europe 'so they could get praise'.
Having said that..
Countries like Canada and the USA took on MASS amount of the survivors and their families - who went on to become possibly the most successful group of immigrants in the history of the West.

It would be 'nice' to see leaders in the Jewish Orgs out there be talking about this, making memorials to this and seeing some Hollywood blockbusters on this great heroic act.

I once saw an entire documentary.. excellent documentary which went over every aspect of the Holocaust.
I swear.. not a SINGLE mention of the USA forces that were the ones who rescued them.
Not even a peep.

 

Haha for a second i read PotC as Pirates of the Caribbean, and i was like huh?

 

That made me laugh out loud


God bless little Dutch Gals!

 

I don't hate Jews! Half the books I've checked out from the library in the past couple years have been "The Jewish Book of Why", "Becoming a Jew", and Holocaust memoirs. I have the Israeli flag in my room and plan on visiting Israel one day. Most of my friends are Jewish. It makes me physically ill when people talk badly about Jewish people. And you're trying to say that because I'm a Christian, I hate Jews?

 

Im a Christian and i dont hate the Jews. If Jesus hadn't died, i'd be going to hell